wkk5159 Publish time 21-1-2015 10:22 AM

Methods Muslims use to attack Christianity

When dealing with Muslims, it is wise to understand some of the approaches used by them to discredit Christianity.Much could be written on each of the following subjects with numerous examples.But, instead, I will simply expound on the areas common among Muslim approaches and point out what to watch for.
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No. 1      Attack the validity of the Bible.This is expected.If the Muslim can undermine the strength and integrity of God's word, then it would be much easier for him to win arguments, confound the Christian, and make converts of those who don't know the truth and power of the Bible.This is what the devil did in the Garden of Eden.Satan said, "You truly will not die!" (Gen. 3:4).I am not calling Muslims satanic.I am simply pointing out that that is how deception begins--by bringing doubt upon God's word, and that this is exactly what Muslims do.They try to get people to doubt the Bible and then tell you how great Islam is.Various methods are used here to accomplish this:

[*]Stating that the Bible has numerous contradictions.

[*]Of course, I cannot go through all the alleged Bible contradictions here (See the Bible Difficulties section for more explanation).But my observation has been that the majority of "biblical contradictions" raised by Muslims are nothing more than examples of their lack of understanding of biblical theology and context.Always read the context of verses.Don't let a Muslim simply state that there are contradictions and leave it at that.Ask him to give you one.If you cannot answer it, do research and get back to him.Sure, there are some tough areas of Scripture, but there are no contradictions in God's Word.1
[*]Criticizing the lack of original manuscripts.

[*]The point here is that because we do not have the original manuscripts of the Bible, we cannot really know what the originals said and, therefore, the Bible could have been corrupted.They then compare the Bible to the Koran and state that the Koran is the guaranteed, preserved, direct word of Allah given by the angel Gabriel to Muhammad.Of course, what they fail to mention is:

[*]The Bible documents are well attested as being reliable and accurate. In fact, we have around 24,000 ancient manuscripts of the New Testament. So much so, that no major area of Christian doctrine is affected by possible variations among manuscripts (click here for more details).2
[*]Regarding the Koran, Muhammad couldn't read or write; so he recited the Koran to people who then wrote it down.There is no evidence at all that the Koran was written down in its entirety in Muhammad's lifetime and compiled as a unit.So how could he have verified its truth?
[*]Shortly after Muhammad's death, the Muslim Uthman ordered all sets of the Koran manuscripts to be destroyed except the codex of Zaid.Why?Is it because Zaid's copy was better?If so, how do we know?Did differences in the copies arise so quickly that discrepancies were evident, and Uthman recognized the need for a standardized copy lest Islam suffer division?It raises doubt on the Koran's supposed incorruptibility.
[*]Muslims claim that Allah said the Koran would be preserved.But, the mere claim is not enough.It is using the Koran to substantiate the Koran which is circular reasoning.
[*]Claiming that the Bible is false because it contradicts the Koran (Qur'an).

[*]This is simply begging the question.That means that one assumes the validity of the thing that he is trying to prove.The Muslim assumes the validity of the Qur'an; and because it contradicts the Bible, the Bible is wrong.Well, the Christian can just as easily state that the Koran is wrong because it contradicts the Bible.But the Muslims would not accept that.Therefore, why should we accept their argument.

No. 2      Attempt to set Paul against Jesus.Muslims often make the claim that Paul never met Jesus and was not a disciple or apostle of Jesus.Of course, this is not true.Paul encountered Jesus on the road to Damascus in Acts 9--after Jesus' resurrection.Jesus spoke to him and commissioned him.So, Paul met Jesus.Furthermore, Paul visited the Jerusalem apostles Peter, James, and John who affirmed Paul's mission and message (See Gal. 2:9. Also, see the context of Galatians 1:18--2:10.)Peter, who was a disciple of Jesus, personally authenticated Paul's writings by calling them scripture in 2 Pet. 3:15-16.If they are inspired, then they cannot contradict Jesus' words.
In addition, many Muslims claim that Jesus never claimed to be God, and that Paul is the one who wrote that Jesus was God.First of all, if they admit that Paul wrote that Jesus was God, then remind them of 2 Pet. 3:15-16 where Peter calls Paul's writings Scripture and affirms Paul's message in Gal. 2:9.Nevertheless, they sometimes assert that Paul hijacked Christianity and took it over and made Jesus into something He was not.This claim is false.
Perhaps the primary area where Muslims think Paul and Jesus contradict is in the area of who Jesus is.Paul states that Jesus is God in flesh:Col. 2:9 says, "For in Him the fullness of deity dwells in bodily form," (cf. Rom. 9:5).Muslims assert that nowhere in the Gospels did Jesus claim to be God.Therefore, they claim, Paul's words are not true; and the Bible is not trustworthy.
This attack by Muslims is an attack based out of opinion.Jesus did claim to be God.   In John 8:56-59, Jesus says, "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad." 57The Jews therefore said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?"58Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am." 59Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself, and went out of the temple."3 Why did the Pharisees want to kill Jesus?They explain their reason in John 10:33 when they say, "For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God." (KJV).Whether or not the Muslim will accept this, let alone agree that this is correct, matters little because his presupposition will not allow him to accept, no matter what.Nevertheless, the text clearly states that the Pharisees understood that Jesus was claiming to be God.Also, consider John 5:18 where the Apostle John says, "Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God." (KJV). In this verse Jesus healed on the Sabbath, and the Pharisees thought He was breaking the Sabbath law.John the Apostle also states that when Jesus claimed that God was His Father, that it was "making himself equal with God." The Muslim will always find a way to argue out of these texts.But, two facts remain.First, Jesus claimed to be God.Second, the Pharisees denied that Jesus was God, and the Muslims agree with them.
There are other areas that the Muslims will say are where Jesus and Paul do not agree; but when they bring it up, always ask for an example.Each time I've done this, I've discovered that the Muslim did not have a sufficient understanding of what the text is saying.Remember, always read the context.

No. 3      Misrepresentation of Christian doctrine.Sadly, this is a very common error of the Muslims.The single greatest instance of this is in the doctrine of the Trinity.Muslims so often attack a false understanding of the Trinity by stating that it is three gods.That is not the correct Christian definition of the Trinity doctrine.Christianity does not teach there are three gods.It never has, and it never will.The doctrine of the Trinity is that there is only one God who exists in three persons:Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.Trinitarianism is monotheistic.If a Muslim continues to proclaim that the Trinity is three gods, then I simply stop discussing the issue with him because he is not willing to accept what the definition is; and it isn't possible to have a meaningful dialogue.
Another Christian doctrine they fail to understand is the Hypostatic Union.This is the teaching that Jesus is one person with two natures.He is both God and man as is declared in Col. 2:9, "For in Him dwells the fullness of the Godhead bodily." Because Jesus was also a man, we have verses such as John 14:28 where Jesus says "the Father is greater than I." Muslims will say that if Jesus is God, how could He be greater than Himself?Of course, they fail to understand the Trinity (three persons); and they fail to understand that Jesus, as a man (Phil. 2:5-8), cooperated with the limitations of being a man and was in a lower position than the Father (Heb. 2:9) for a while (See: "The Ontological and Economic Trinity." for more explanation).
Sometimes Muslims refuse to accept Christian explanations for things because it doesn't fit their agenda nor their preconceived ideas of what they think Christianity is.Oddly enough, Christians often contribute to this problem by offering inadequate and sometimes erring explanations of Christian doctrine.Thus, many Muslims are led into error regarding what Christianity really teaches.Christians need to know their doctrine, and Muslims need to understand the proper explanations for those doctrines.

No. 4      Misinterpreting various Scripture passages.A very good example of misrepresentation of biblical passages can be found in a dialogue I had with a Muslim regarding John 1:1, 14.These verses say, "In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God." Verse 14 says "and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us . . . " The Muslim I was speaking to reasoned thus:
If the word is God then we can insert the word "god" into the verse each time it says "word."Therefore, we would have it say 'In the beginning was the God and the God was with God and God was God.'As you can see, this makes no sense.Therefore, when you go to verse 14 where it says the word became flesh, it cannot mean that God became flesh because John 1:1 makes no sense."
As you can see, this kind of logic is very bad.First of all, John 1:1 does not say what he said it does.It does not speak in contradictory terms the way he tried to make it sound.Instead, it uses both the word "word" and the word "god" in the sentence.I told him that he needed to go with what the text does say and not with what it does not say.In other words, he reconstructed it in such a way as to purposely not make sense, and then he attacked that.
Another verse, or verses, that they misinterpret is when Jesus says that He is the Son of God.To the Muslim, this means that God literally had a wife and produced a literal son.Of course, this is not what is meant by the biblical account.Sonship is in relation to the Fatherhood of God in a spiritual and metaphoric sense.After all, Jesus says that God is spirit (John 4:24).Of course, God would not have a body of flesh and bones with which to procreate children.What the Muslims are guilty of doing is imposing Islamic understandings upon biblical texts and then complaining about the biblical texts in light of how they interpret them.This is not how one should go about "refuting the opposition."Rather, the Muslim should seek to understand the biblical/cultural context and deal with the issue from that perspective not a fabricated one as this example shows.

No. 5      Failing to differentiate between Protestant and Catholic doctrines.Sadly, Christianity is not in complete unity in all things--which is why we have denominations.I am dismayed at the fragmentation within Christianity and think it is a poor witness to the world.But, the fact is that differences of opinions among Christians do occur.In fact, we are allowed to have differences of opinion according to God's word found in Rom. 14: 1-13.True Christians are all united in the essentials of the faith and are often divided on the non-essentials.This does not mean we are not all Christians, but that we have differences of opinions on some things.
However, in the 1500s, there was a major split in the Catholic church.It was called the Reformation.As a Protestant, I believe the Reformation was necessary because the Catholic church had adopted some dangerous and erroneous doctrines that extend far beyond mere differences of opinion, namely, prayer to Mary, purgatory, indulgences, etc.
Muslims often fail to differentiate between Catholicism and Protestantism in their arguments.I've heard and read that Muslims attack, for example, the Catholic teaching of the Eucharist where the bread and wine of the Lord's Supper are claimed by the Catholics to actually become the body and blood of Christ during the communion service.Of course, we Protestants strongly disagree with this.But this disagreement is rarely, if ever, brought up when attacking Christian doctrine.So, when Muslims say "Christians believe . . . ," be careful that they do not make too broad a generalization as they continue their attack.

No. 6      Claim their thinking is correct and Christian thinking is incorrect.Many Muslims have told me that what I am saying about God, Salvation, the Bible, etc., isn't logical.Now, perhaps some things I say are not logical.But, I've not heard any convincing arguments yet demonstrating what is and is not logical regarding Christian doctrine.Usually, the Muslim will simply say that Jesus having two natures is not logical, or that the Trinity being three persons doesn't make sense.   But saying so doesn't make it so.There is nothing illogical about a part of God being able to become a person and add human nature to Himself.It may not be the easiest thing in the world to understand, but it is not illogical.Neither does saying that the Trinity is three persons is illogical make it so.Surely anyone would agree that when we encounter God and His self-revelation, there will be things that are difficult to understand.The Trinity certainly falls under that category.But, the Trinity doctrine is not against logic.It would be illogical to say that one God is three gods, or that one person is three persons.But that is not what Christianity teaches.
I've found that when dialoguing with Muslims and when reading their material against Christianity, that their claim to know real logic is really an extension of their Muslim thought and not a mastery of logic at all.

No. 7      Switching topics when challenged.Sometimes when discussing subjects that Muslims find difficult to answer, they will quickly change the subject.Very often this change involves attacking the Bible.Other times they will testify that they know Islam is true, or they will simply say that you do not know what you are talking about.But when they change the subject, you must be patient.Lovingly bring them back to the subject at hand.I have had to do this many times when discussing Islam with Muslims.
This is a small but very important point.Too many Christians fall into the trap of allowing themselves to be diverted from the subject at hand.Do not let a Muslim simply ignore a question and start a new subject when it gets tough.Likewise, Christians should not simply change the subject when it gets difficult for them either.Instead, if you do not know the answer to a question, simply admit it.Go do some research and then get back with them.
Always remember to be gracious.You will not win the Muslim to the Lord with cruelty and rudeness.And remember that we are in the spiritual battle.Love and truth in the name of Jesus is more powerful than any perfect answer.
When dialoguing with Muslims, please remember to be respectful and patient.But, check everything they say and listen to them.They do not have the market cornered on truth even though they think they do.

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skippy Publish time 21-1-2015 12:47 PM

i kinda agree on this part at least. will be awaiting for the answers from muslims on this. i remember mentioning the same to one of my muslim friend (not msian, probably there was no islamic history studies during his school days), but what i didn't expect is that..he got shocked and then he asked his father abt this in which his father agreed. ;P no other response after that. if the below holds true (and confirmed with proof) that the Koran was compiled after prophet's death, then isnt it like the theory where in a chain of people, you tell statement A to the first person and asked him to pass it on, the last person will receive it as statement B or statement A with some sugar and spice. let's just say there are multiple versions, how was it proven that one of the version is the absolute truth? or was it like it is accepted as the true version based on majority's version/vote/consensus?

Regarding the Koran, Muhammad couldn't read or write; so he recited the Koran to people who then wrote it down.There is no evidence at all that the Koran was written down in its entirety in Muhammad's lifetime and compiled as a unit.So how could he have verified its truth?

sam1528 Publish time 21-1-2015 02:13 PM

Muslims don't even need to 'attack' the bible anymore. It has been proven by leading scholars like Bart Ehrman that the bible is not trustworthy. There is no New Testament in the times of Jesus. BTW he was a Torah observant Jew. So where did the New Testament come from? Don't try to change the topic like you always do.

To skippy :
You are using the argument of the Chinese Whispers. However you forgot that the Quran was continuously recited and memorized by the companions of Prophet Muhammad(saw) - a tradition observed till today. 'Chinese whispers' is only one round but if continuously recited for say a period of 20 years , highly likely the person would memorize it.

The Quran was / is documented in the lifetime of Prophet Muhammad(saw). The 'Suhuf Hafsah' was already in existence when Prophet Muhammad(saw) passed away. You can even check the current Quran against the Codices of Sana'a (as this codex predates the Uthmanic Recension). There is no change.

skippy Publish time 21-1-2015 08:58 PM

sam1528 replied at 21-1-2015 02:13 PM
Muslims don't even need to 'attack' the bible anymore. It has been proven by leading scholars like B ...

aah ok boss. will do some readings based on your comments.

Sephiroth Publish time 22-1-2015 08:57 AM

by Skippy

Regarding the Koran, Muhammad couldn't read or write; so he recited the Koran to people who then wrote it down.There is no evidence at all that the Koran was written down in its entirety in Muhammad's lifetime and compiled as a unit.So how could he have verified its truth?

I think you missed the point.

Muslims claimed that if a person can recite a verses for 20 years, it means that they could know Al Quran by heart. While this is true in terms of memorizing the words, it does NOTHING in order of understanding the meaning of the words.

In another word, Muslims memorize and recite but they do not understand what is being taught to them. Just like you like a song and sing along with it without knowing the meaning of the Word. Anyone can sing Chinese songs or Tamil songs even if they do not know how to speak the language.

Muslims recite and memorized the words during Muhammad's time but when he died and the Al Quran was written down as words, there was no verification of what been written is exactly as what have been taught by Muhammad. Anyone can say one thing, write another and do another thing by stating that he or she is following Islamic teachings brought by Muhammad.

sam1528 Publish time 22-1-2015 11:52 AM

Sephiroth replied at 22-1-2015 08:57 AM
by Skippy




The funny part is that it is you who missed the point or you are just too slow to understand.

The Quran is in arabic. Any arab or a fluent speaker of arabic would understand it. Nowadays there are numerous sites that provides good translations to the Quran.

Therefore your point of muslims not understanding the Quran is just another one of your wet dreams.

Can you just stop farting thru your mouth and start arguing with facts and evidence?

Sephiroth Publish time 22-1-2015 12:05 PM

sam1528 replied at 22-1-2015 11:52 AM
The funny part is that it is you who missed the point or you are just too slow to understand.

T ...

F#@k Off.

sam1528 Publish time 22-1-2015 03:57 PM

Sephiroth replied at 22-1-2015 12:05 PM
F#@k Off.

LOL , typical answer from a hater andsupremacist hindoo.

You cannot answer then resort to curses.

Is this your dysfunctional upbringing or the teaching of hinduism or both?

sabbath_shalom Publish time 22-1-2015 11:44 PM

Bagi aku Old Testament (Torah dan psalm) masih boleh dipercayai...tapi New Testament tidak.

Lagi satu..Kristian byk memansuhkan amalan2 Jewish...walaupun Jesus adalah Jews/Yahudi. Dan dia bukan pencipta agama baru.

Sephiroth Publish time 23-1-2015 08:28 AM

sabbath_shalom replied at 22-1-2015 11:44 PM
Bagi aku Old Testament (Torah dan psalm) masih boleh dipercayai...tapi New Testament tidak.

Lagi...

Macam mana kamu boleh mengatakan bahawa Jesus tidak mencipta agama baru sedangkan dia mengenepikan "Ayahnya" dan mendakwa tak ada orang akan menemui Ayahnya kecuali melalui dirinya. Malahan, orang Kristian sendiri tidak mengikuti Hukum Ten Commandments yg dibawa oleh Ayahnya kerana Si Anak. Kalau mengikuti istilah manusia, kita boleh katakan bahawa Jesus itu seorang anak derhaka yg cuba mengambil alih pemerintahan Ayahnya secara langsung.

skippy Publish time 23-1-2015 09:51 AM

ok..if arabs understands arabic well, thn why are there many sects/cults within islam? then if the answer is ppl's view differs according to verses, then it is possible that there might be changes in the words being used at that point of time. just curious

sam1528 Publish time 23-1-2015 04:04 PM

skippy replied at 23-1-2015 09:51 AM
ok..if arabs understands arabic well, thn why are there many sects/cults within islam? then if the a ...

It is the same reason like you have many cults in Christianity. Islam is no exception

sabbath_shalom Publish time 28-1-2015 05:47 PM

Sephiroth replied at 23-1-2015 08:28 AM
Macam mana kamu boleh mengatakan bahawa Jesus tidak mencipta agama baru sedangkan dia mengenepikan ...

Dlm Islam..Jesus tidak mencipta agama baru tapi membenarkan agama Yahudi di anuti oleh non Jews(goyim).

Kebanyakan Jews di zaman itu adalah secular/korup...hanya sekolompok Yahudi di Nazareth sahaja yg masih menganut ajaran Yahudi...ajaran Jesus adalah untuk golongan miskin dan tertindas (jews dan non jews)dgn amalan dan adat Jewish dikekalkan.

Sephiroth Publish time 28-1-2015 08:50 PM

by sabbath_shalom

Dlm Islam..Jesus tidak mencipta agama baru tapi membenarkan agama Yahudi di anuti oleh non Jews(goyim).

Sebab itulah aku kata dia itu anak derhaka. Siapa Jesus utk menberikan kebenaran tersebut kpd kaum bukan Yahudi? Hak itu hanyalah di tangan si Ayah, bukan si Anak.

Kebanyakan Jews di zaman itu adalah secular/korup...

Kamu ada hidup pada masa itu dan nampak ke? Jangan buat andaian BODOH semata2 kerana Gereja kamu berkata sedemikian. :huffy

...ajaran Jesus adalah untuk golongan miskin dan tertindas (jews dan non jews)dgn amalan dan adat Jewish dikekalkan.

Kepala hotak kamu dikekalkan. :shakehead3:

Hentak berapa banyak hukum yg diberikan oleh si Ayah telah ditukar oleh Jesus yg mendakwa dirinya anak tuhan. Kaum bukan Yahudi makan benda2 yg ditegah spt daging khinzir, minum arak, berpoya2 serta melakukan pelbagai dosa dgn alasan bahawa si Jesus sudah mati katak utk mereka. Amalan Yahudi mana ini?
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