nabi Saleh and the samud
I was little puzzle why the quran says Nabi saleh got something to do with samud in city of petra? does nabi saleh exist?The peoples of samud was destroyed /or cursed by God because their agroant atttitude. how true this???
According to Bible:
Petra in Biblical History
By Dr. Brian BarlowIn biblical times, this region was known as Seir or Sela, Petra was its Greek name (or may have come from the Arabic word 'batara' which means 'to cut', as it was actually carved from rock). The first inhabitants of Petra who appear in the biblical account were the Kenites (or Cainites), of the tribe of Cain, the son of Adam – tillers of soil. These peoples are different from the sons of Abel (Habil), who were shepherds. The modern descendants of Abel, are now called Bedu or Bedouin, the people from which today's modern Jordanians are descended.These Kenite people were described by Josephus in his Jewish Antiquities i.2.2 and in Genesis 4:21-22 as being smiths and musicians. The entire Petra region abounds in old copper mines and metal-workings. The other early “men of Seir” were the descendants of their founding-father Seir the Horite. Their tribal headquarters was the Sela (Gen. 14.6) or modern day Petra.Petra is mentioned extensively in the Bible especially as it concerns the sons of Isaac, Esau and Jacob. The account is well-known of how Jacob tricked Esau out of his birthright then deceived his blind father into giving him the tribal blessing (Genesis 25-27). Angry after is betrayal by Jacob, Esau took his wives and children and went into a land far away from his brother. He moved to a new land in the hill country of Seir; Esau is Edom, (Genesis 36:6-8) and Petra is Seir.The Edomites became well-known as enemies of the ancient Hebrews, along with the Amalekites, the Moabites (people inhabiting the area around present day Madaba and Mt. Nebo) and the Ammonites (people inhabiting the area of today's Amman, the modern capital of Jordan).Moving forward to Moses and the time of the Exodus, it was just outside the city of Petra that Moses struck the rock (Num. 20:7-11) when the Israelites were perishing from thirst in the desert. The desolate region surrounding Petra, which can still be seen today as it was then, is a stark and harsh environment with little or no vegetation or water. When Moses sent a message to King Rekem of Petra, asking permission to pass through Edom on his way North, the king refused and Moses and the Israelites had to take the longer route around.The Israelites had been forewarned not to fight the Edomites (Deuteronomy 2:4-5) because that was not the land God had given them. They did buy food and water from the Edomites and journeyed on after Aaron, Moses' brother, died and was buried on Mt. Aaron (today's Jebal Haroun, the highest mountain in Petra, atop which rests an Islamic shrine to Aaron).
The curses on Petra began during this same period. Moses, in his final counsel before his death, reminded the children of Israel of the high places of sacrifices at Petra. He warned them of this idolatry and pronounced a terrible curse on Petra and its inhabitants (Deuteronomy 32:15-39.)The rivalry between the Edomites and the Israelites was long and cruel. For more biblical references please read:1 Sam. 14:47-8; 1 Sam. 21:7; 1 Sam. 22:11-19; 2 Sam. 8:13-14; 1 Chron. 18:12; 2 Chron. 8:17; 2 Chron. 20; 2 Chron. 25:5-14; Lam. 4:18-22; Ps. 137; Is. 8:19-22; Is. 15-16; Jer. 48-49; Ezek. 25:3-7, 13-14; Ezek 35; Is. 34; Obad. 1-18.
From truth.8
I was little puzzle why the quran says Nabi saleh got something to do with samud in city of petra? does nabi saleh exist?
The peoples of samud was destroyed /or cursed by God because their agroant atttitude. how true this???You just cannot stop trying to run down the Quran and try to claim the authenticity of the Bible despite facts showing otherwise.
The question here - What makes you think Prophet Salih(as) was the prophet for the people of Petra? You have not provided any evidence of your claim. To argue on something is ok but don't argue without any evidence.
Prophet Salih was sent to the people of Thamud. We do know where this is per hadith Sahih Muslim book 042 Number 7105Abdullah b. 'Umar reported that the people encamped along with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) in the valley of Hijr, the habitations of Thamud, and they quenched their thirst from the wells thereof and kneaded the flour with it. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) commanded that the water collected for drinking should be spilt and the flour should be given to the camels and commanded them that the water for drinking should be taken from that well where the she-camel (of Hadrat Salih) used to come.
The location is between Madinah and Tabuk per the description by Ibn KathirIbn Umar narratted that while the Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) was passing by Thamud's houses on his way to the battle of Tabuk, he stopped together with the people there ....
This can be easily be seen with the following map of the current map of Saudi Arabia
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Therefore the location of the people of Thamud (not Samud) is not Petra as Petra is in Jordan.
We can further confirm this from the UNESCO Heritage siteThe Archaeological Site of Al-Hijr (Madâin Sâlih) is the first World Heritage property to be inscribed in Saudi Arabia. Formerly known as Hegra it is the largest conserved site of the civilization of the Nabataeans south of Petra in Jordan.
Next time , do not argue from ignorance. Do a bit of research first before arguing against Islam or / and the Quran.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tabuk,_Saudi_Arabia_locator_map.png
Last edited by sam1528 on 24-12-2013 12:24 PM
sam1528 posted on 24-12-2013 12:21 PM static/image/common/back.gif
You just cannot stop trying to run down the Quran and try to claim the authenticity of the Bible des ...
Yes I know the petra in jordan. but The Bible no mention about ur so called nabi saleh....yesterday i watch islamic program...the ustaz says peoples of samud or thamud.....
Prophet Salih was sent to the people of Thamud. We do know where this is per hadith Sahih Muslim book 042 Number 7105again hadith...the sayings of human writings...
hence, ur nabi salleh can be questionable whether it real or made up stories...
Last edited by Truth.8 on 24-12-2013 02:04 PM
Truth.8 posted on 24-12-2013 02:02 PM static/image/common/back.gif
Yes I know the petra in jordan. but The Bible no mention about ur so called nabi saleh....yesterday i watch islamic program...the ustaz says peoples of samud or thamud.....
If you know that Petra is in Jordan then why do you argue about Prophet Salih(as) to the so called people of Petra? It has been stated clearly in the Quran and hadith that Prophet Salih(as) was sent to the people of Thamud. Your argument is against all logic.
The bible don't mention about Prophet Salih(as) is because the bible is not complete. It only restrict itself to the Israelite line of messiahs. However muslims believe that prophets have been sent to most tribes or people in this world. This is much more logical as one of the questions to be asked in judgement day is that 'did you not follow the words of the prophet sent to you?'
again hadith...the sayings of human writings...
hence, ur nabi salleh can be questionable whether it real or made up stories...
Bzzzzt! Wrong again. Prophet Salih(as) is mentioned in the Quran. Why display your ignorance?
To that effect , the bible is also a collection of human writings. Therefore the bible is of the standard of hadiths. However the hadith is one better than the bible. Every hadith has its own isnad (chain of narrators) thus it can be classified being 'sahih' , 'ahad' , 'daif' etc. Therefore we muslims know which hadith is relaible. However the same cannot be said of the bible. We don't even know , for example who were the authors of the 4 books of the Gospels. None of the stories in the bible have any chain of narrators thus we don't even know its reliability. Your belief in the bible is based on blind faith.
Therefore the bible is even more questionable compared to the hadith let alone the Quran.
Do you now know that Prophet Salih(as) has got nothing to do with Petra?
Last edited by sam1528 on 24-12-2013 04:18 PM
sam1528 posted on 24-12-2013 04:15 PM static/image/common/back.gif
If you know that Petra is in Jordan then why do you argue about Prophet Salih(as) to the so called ...
hmmm..i need more proof that ur nabi saleh ...what proof? so, this nabi saleh is not from roots of Jews rite? most of the prophets comes from jews roots...suddendly got different roots???
Truth.8 posted on 24-12-2013 05:39 PM static/image/common/back.gif
hmmm..i need more proof that ur nabi saleh ...what proof? so, this nabi saleh is not from roots of Jews rite? most of the prophets comes from jews roots...suddendly got different roots???
The proof is already in your statement. 'Most' does not mean all.
A simple logical test to the issue. How would the people of old answer the question "Didtherenotcometoyouyourmessengerswithclearproofs?" (Quran40:50). Allah is just , prophets have been sent to almost all tribes or community of people. To that , what about the people before Christianity? How would be their salvation? Christians cannot answer such question because you claim that to be saved is to accept biblical Jesus being God.
You should stop arguing with the presupposition that the bible is the truth. That is your weakness. The bible have been proven time and time again to be not reliable and it is not the total word of God.
Truth.8 posted on 24-12-2013 05:39 PM
hmmm..i need more proof that ur nabi saleh ...what proof? so, this nabi saleh is not from roots of ...
Kalau dah tak ada dalam injil, apa pulak nak attack islam. Seems something of non issue becoming issue.Orang islam tak ambil port dlm injil tak ada nabi saleh. Orang Islam yakin dengan kisah Nabi Saleh as kerana Allah sendiri yang menceritakan akan kisah Nabi Saleh as dan kaumnya bagi peringatan kita semua. Yang perlu diambil tauladannya ialah perlunya manusia menjadi manusia yang mengikut perintah Allah. Jika ingkar perintah Allah, boleh sahaja Allah binasakan manusia itu seperti kaum Nabi Salih as sekiranya Allah berkehendak. Banyak kisah Nabi Saleh as terdapat dalam al-Quran di antaraanya :
Dan kepada kaum Thamud, kami utuskan saudara mereka: Nabi Soleh. Dia berkata: “Wahai kaumku! Sembahlah kamu akan Allah! Sebenarnya tiada Tuhan bagi kamu selain daripadaNya. Dia lah yang menjadikan kamu dari bahan-bahan bumi, serta menghendaki kamu memakmurkannya. Oleh itu mintalah ampun kepada Allah dari perbuatan syirik, kemudian kembalilah kepadaNya dengan taat dan tauhid. Sesungguhnya Tuhanku sentiasa dekat, lagi sentiasa memperkenankan permohonan hambaNya”. (Hud : 61)
Kaum Thamud telah mendustakan Rasul-rasul yang diutus kepada mereka ketika saudara mereka, Soleh, berkata kepada mereka : “Hendaknya kamu mematuhi perintah Allah dan menjauhi larangan Nya. Sesungguhnya aku ini Rasul yang amanah, yang diutus oleh Allah kepada kamu. Oleh itu, takutilah kamu akan kemurkaan Allah dan taatlah kepada ku. Dan aku tidak meminta kepada kamu sebarang upah mengenai apa yang aku sampaikan dari Tuhan ku. Balasan ku hanyalah terserah kepada Allah, Tuhan sekalian alam. Adakah kamu fikir bahawa kamu akan dibiarkan sentiasa bersenang-senang dalam nikmat-nikmat yang ada di dunia ini? Di dalam taman-taman yang indah permai, matair-matair yang mengalir dan kebun-kebun tanaman serta pohon-pohon tamar (kurma) yang buah mayangnya halus lembut? Dan kamu memahat sebahagian dari gunung-ganang sebagai tempat tinggal, dengan bijak dan bersungguh-sungguh? Oleh itu, takutilah kamu akan kemurkaan Allah, taatlah kepada ku dan janganlah kamu taati perintah orang-orang yang melampaui batas, iaitu orang-orang yang melakukan kerosakan di bumi dan tidak membuat kebaikan.” (Asy-Syu'araa : 141-152) Truth.8 posted on 24-12-2013 02:02 PM static/image/common/back.gif
Yes I know the petra in jordan. but The Bible no mention about ur so called nabi saleh....yesterda ...
No reply?... ibnur posted on 25-12-2013 03:51 PM static/image/common/back.gif
Kalau dah tak ada dalam injil, apa pulak nak attack islam. Seems something of non issue becoming i ...
dia sangka pegangan agamanya benar dan tepat..I tak buruk sangka pada TT ni...cuma apa yg perlu dilakukannya ia semoga ikhlas pada diri sendiri dlm mencari ilmu ttg agama..
anuar posted on 3-1-2014 12:51 AM static/image/common/back.gif
dia sangka pegangan agamanya benar dan tepat..I tak buruk sangka pada TT ni...cuma apa yg perlu di ...
dia sangka pegangan agamanya benar dan tepat..I tak buruk sangka pada TT ni...cuma apa yg perlu dilakukannya ia semoga ikhlas pada diri sendiri dlm mencari ilmu ttg agama..
tidak ia menyebut bahawa nabi2 semua nya dari Jews. tiba2 dtgnabi saleh....sejauh mana kebenaraan nya??
Truth.8 posted on 7-1-2014 01:06 PM static/image/common/back.gif
tidak ia menyebut bahawa nabi2 semua nya dari Jews. tiba2 dtgnabi saleh....sejauh mana kebenar ...
Apa aku kisah kalau kau tak nak percaya?Sebab tak ada dalam injil?Peduli apa aku.
ibnur posted on 8-1-2014 09:44 PM static/image/common/back.gif
Apa aku kisah kalau kau tak nak percaya?Sebab tak ada dalam injil?Peduli apa aku.
Apa aku kisah kalau kau tak nak percaya?Sebab tak ada dalam injil?Peduli apa aku.
isu bukan percaya atau tidak...pokok nya...di mana kebenaraan ? ada di sebut dlm quran???
Truth.8 posted on 9-1-2014 03:10 PM static/image/common/back.gif
isu bukan percaya atau tidak...pokok nya...di mana kebenaraan ? ada di sebut dlm quran???
You read your bible and you choose to believe it.
I believe the quran and i do not need to believe everything in the bible.
ibnur posted on 9-1-2014 10:22 PM static/image/common/back.gif
You read your bible and you choose to believe it.
I believe the quran and i do not need to beli ...
ok...does the quran says anything about Nabi salleh??
Al Qamaar
(23) (Demikian juga) kaum Thamud telah mendustakan peringatan dan amaran (yang disampaikan oleh Rasul mereka, Nabi Soleh).
(24) Lalu mereka berkata: Patutkah kita menurut manusia dari jenis kita, lagi yang berseorangan? Jika demikian, sesungguhnya kita berada dalam keadaan sesat dan gila!
(25) Tidaklah patut wahyu peringatan itu diturunkan kepadanya (padahal orang-orang yang lebih layak ada) di antara kita. Bahkan dialah seorang pendusta, lagi sombong angkuh.
(26) Mereka akan mengetahui kelak siapakah orangnya yang pendusta, lagi sombong angkuh itu.
(27) Sesungguhnya Kami menghantarkan unta betina (yang menjadi mukjizat) sebagai satu ujian bagi mereka. Lalu (Kami perintahkan Rasul Kami): Tunggulah (apakah yang mereka akan lakukan) serta bersabarlah (terhadap tentangan mereka).
(28) Dan khabarkanlah kepada mereka, bahawa sesungguhnya air (telaga mereka) terbahagi di antara mereka dengan unta itu, tiap-tiap bahagian air itu dihadiri oleh yang berhak mengambilnya (pada hari gilirannya).
(29) (Mereka selepas itu merasa bosan dengan keadaan unta itu dan berkira hendak membunuhnya), lalu mereka memanggil kawan mereka (yang sanggup membunuhnya), dia pun bertindak sampai dapat membunuhnya.
(30) Maka perhatikanlah, bagaimana buruknya azabKu dan kesan amaran-amaranKu!
(31) Sesungguhnya Kami hantarkan kepada mereka satu pekikan (yang dahsyat), lalu menjadilah mereka (hancur) seperti ranting-ranting dan daun-daun yang pecah hancur, yang dikumpulkan oleh pemilik kandang binatang ternak.
(32) Dan demi sesungguhnya! Kami telah mudahkan Al-Quran untuk peringatan dan pengajaran, maka adakah sesiapa yang mahu mengambil peringatan dan pelajaran (daripadanya)?
Al-Hud
(61) Dan kepada kaum Thamud, kami utuskan saudara mereka: Nabi Soleh. Ia berkata: "Wahai kaumku! Sembahlah kamu akan Allah! Sebenarnya tiada Tuhan bagi kamu selain daripadaNya. Dia lah yang menjadikan kamu dari bahan-bahan bumi, serta menghendaki kamu memakmurkannya. Oleh itu mintalah ampun kepada Allah dari perbuatan syirik, kemudian kembalilah kepadaNya dengan taat dan tauhid. Sesungguhnya Tuhanku sentiasa dekat, lagi sentiasa memperkenankan permohonan hambaNya".
(62) Mereka menjawab dengan berkata: "Wahai Soleh, sesungguhnya engkau sebelum ini adalah orang yang diharap dalam kalangan kami (untuk memimpin kami); patutkah engkau melarang kami daripada menyembah apa yang disembah oleh datuk nenek kami? Dan (ketahuilah) sesungguhnya kami berada dalam keadaan ragu-ragu yang merunsingkan tentang apa yang engkau serukan kami kepadanya".
(63) Nabi Soleh berkata: "Wahai kaumku! Bagaimana fikiran kamu, jika aku berada dalam kebenaran yang berdasarkan bukti yang nyata (mukjzat) dari Tuhanku, dan Ia pula mengurniakan rahmat (pangkat Nabi) kepadaku sebagai pemberian daripadaNya, maka siapakah yang akan menolongku dari azab Allah kalau aku menderhaka kepadaNya? Oleh itu, kamu tidak menambah sesuatu kebaikan pun bagiku selain daripada perkara yang merugikan.
(64) " Dan wahai kaumku! Ini adalah unta betina dari Allah untuk kamu sebagai tanda (mukjizat) yang membuktikan kebenaranku. Oleh itu, biarkanlah dia mencari makan di bumi Allah dan janganlah kamu menyentuhnya dengan sesuatu yang menyakitinya, (kalau kamu menyakitinya) maka kamu akan ditimpa azab seksa yang dekat masa datangnya".
(65) Mereka kemudiannya menyembelih unta itu, lalu berkatalah Nabi Soleh kepada mereka: Bersenang-senanglah kamu di tempat masing-masing selama tiga hari; tempoh yang demikian itu, ialah suatu janji yang tidak dapat didustakan".
(66) Maka ketika datang azab kami, kami selamatkan Soleh beserta umatnya yang beriman, dengan rahmat dari Kami, dan Kami selamatkan mereka dari azab serta kehinaan hari itu. Sesungguhnya Tuhanmu, Dia lah Yang Maha Kuat, lagi Maha Kuasa.
(67) Dan orang-orang yang zalim itu, dibinasakan oleh satu letusan suara yang menggempakan bumi, lalu menjadilah mereka mayat-mayat yang tersungkur di tempat tinggal masing-masing.
(68) (Mereka punah-ranah) seolah-olah mereka tidak pernah tinggal di situ. Ketahuilah! Sesungguhnya kaum Thamud itu kufurkan Tuhan mereka. Ketahuilah! Sesungguhnya kebinasaanlah akhirnya bagi kaum Thamud.
(69) Dan sesungguhnya telah datang malaikat utusan-utusan kami kepada Nabi Ibrahim, dengan membawa berita yang mengembirakan. Lalu mereka memberi salam dengan berkata: "Salam sejahtera kepadamu (wahai Ibrahim)". Nabi Ibrahim menjawab: "Salam sejahtera kepada kamu". Maka tidak berapa lama selepas itu, ia membawa jamuan untuk mereka: seekor anak lembu yang dipanggang.
Nabi Saleh diutuskan Allah terdahulu dari Nabi Yaakub as yang melahirkan bani Israil. Namun tugasnya tetap sama seperti nabi yang terdahulu dan terkemudian darinya iaitu untuk mengingatkan manusia agar beriman kepada Allah sahaja sebagai Tuhan tanpa ada tuhan yang lain.
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