VEDIC REFERENCES AGAINST MEAT-EATING AND ANIMAL SLAUGHTER
To start with, the Manu-samhita clearly and logically recommends that, “Meatcan never be obtained without injury to living creatures, and injury tosentient beings is detrimental to the attainment of heavenly bliss; let himtherefore shun the use of meat. Having well considered the disgusting origin offlesh and the cruelty of fettering and slaying corporeal beings, let himentirely abstain from eating flesh.” (Manu-samhita 5.48-49)However, it is not simply the person who eats the meat that becomes implicatedby eating the dead animal, but also those who assist in the process. “He whopermits the slaughter of an animal, he who cuts it up, he who kills it, he whobuys or sells meat, he who cooks it, he who serves it up, and he who eats it,must all be considered as the slayers of the animal. There is no greater sinnerthan that man who though not worshiping the gods or the ancestors, seeks toincrease the bulk of his own flesh by the flesh of other beings.” (Manu-samhita5.51-52)
As we get further into the Manu-samhita, there are warnings that becomeincreasingly more serious. For example, “If he has a strong desire (for meat)he may make an animal of clarified butter or one of flour (and eat that); butlet him never seek to destroy an animal without a (lawful) reason. As manyhairs as the slain beast has, so often indeed will he who killed it without a(lawful) reason suffer a violent death in future births.” (Manu-samhita5.37-38)
In this way, the only time to carry out the need to kill animals forconsumption is when there is an emergency such as when there simply is nothingelse to eat. Otherwise, when there are plenty of grains, vegetables, fruits,etc., to eat, it is only mankind’s lust and selfish desires that motivate oneto kill other beings to satisfy one’s tongue by tasting their blood and flesh,or to fatten one’s wallet by making money from participating in thedistribution or the cooking of meat. Such violent actions create oppositereactions. For this reason the warnings are given, “He who injures harmlesscreatures from a wish to give himself pleasure, never finds happiness in thislife or the next.” (Manu-samhita 5.45)
Nonetheless, there are also benefits that are mentioned that a person can attainsimply by not eating the bodies of other creatures: “By subsisting on purefruits and roots, and by eating food fit for ascetics in the forest, one doesnot gain so great a reward as by entirely avoiding the use of flesh. Me he will devour in the next world, whose flesh I eat in this life; the wisedeclare this to be the real meaning of the word ‘flesh’ .”(Manu-samhita 5.54-55)
“He who does not seek to cause the sufferings of bonds and death to livingcreatures, (but) desires the good of all (beings), obtains endless bliss. Hewho does not injure any (creature) attains without an effort what he thinks of,what he undertakes, and what he fixes his mind on.” (Manu-samhita 5.46-47)
Also, “By not killing any living being, one becomes fit for salvation.”(Manu-samhita 6.60)
The earlier texts, such as the Rig-veda (10.87.16), also proclaim the need togive up the eating of slaughtered animals. “One who partakes of human flesh,the flesh of a horse or of another animal, and deprives others of milk byslaughtering cows, O King, if such a fiend does not desist by other means, thenyou should not hesitate to cut off his head.”
“Those who are ignorant of real dharma and, though wicked and haughty, accountthemselves virtuous, kill animals without any feeling of remorse or fear ofpunishment. Further, in their next lives, such sinful persons will be eaten bythe same creatures they have killed in this world.” (Bhagavata Purana 11.5.14)
The following verses are from the Tirukural:
Howcan he practice true compassion who eats the flesh of an animal to fatten hisown flesh?
Riches cannot be found in the hands of the thriftless, nor can compassion befound in the hearts of those who eat meat.
He who feasts on a creature's flesh is like he who wields a weapon. Goodness isnever one with the minds of these two.
If you ask, "What is kindness and what is unkindness?"
It is not-killing and killing. Thus, eating flesh is never virtuous. Life is perpetuatedby not eating meat.The jaws of Hell close on those who do. If the world did notpurchase and consume meat, no one would slaughter and offer meat for sale. Whena man realizes that meat is the butchered flesh of another creature, he willabstain from eating it.
Insightful souls who have abandoned the passion to hurt others will not feed onflesh that life has abandoned. Greater than a thousand ghee offerings consumedin sacrificial fires is to not sacrifice and consume any living creature. Alllife will press palms together in prayerful adoration of those who refuse toslaughter or savor meat.
From these verses there should be no doubt that the Vedic shastra recommendsthat such selfish meat-eating must be given up if one has any concern for otherliving beings, or one’s own future existence, or for attaining any spiritualmerit.
There are also references in the Mahabharata that forewarn the activity ofeating flesh. This is in the Anushasana Parva section where there is aconversation between Yudhisthira and Grandfather Bhishma about the merits ofabstaining from meat eating and the demerits and consequences for doing so. Itis quite revealing. One quote is: “He who desires to augment his own flesh byeating the flesh of other creatures, lives in misery in whatever species he maytake his birth.” (Mahabharata, Anu.115.47)
“The purchaser of flesh performs violence by his wealth; he who eats flesh doesso by enjoying its taste; the killer does violence by actually tying andkilling the animal. Thus, there are three forms of killing. He who brings fleshor sends for it, he who cuts off the limbs of an animal, and he who purchases,sells, or cooks flesh and eats it--all these are to be considered meat-eaters.”(Mahabharata, Anu.115.40) All of these people will also incur the same karmic reactionsfor their participation in killing, distributing or eating the flesh ofanimals, as explained next.
“The sins generated by violence curtail the life of the perpetrator. Therefore,even those who are anxious for their own welfare should abstain frommeat-eating.” (Mahabharata, Anu.115.33)
A more thorough and educational rendering of the teachings of Bhishma in theMahabharata is as follows:
Bhishma started, “Numberless discourses took place between the Rishis on thissubject, O scion of Kuru’s race. Listen, O Yudhisthira, what their opinion was.(115.7)
“The highly wise seven celestial Rishis, the Valakshillyas, and those Rishiswho drink the rays of the sun, all speak highly of abstention from meat. Theself-created Manu has said that the man who does not eat meat, or who does notkill living creatures, or who does not cause them to be killed, is a friend ofall creatures. Such a man is incapable of being oppressed by any creature. Heenjoys the confidence of all living beings. He always enjoys the praise of thepious. The virtuous Narada has said that that man who wishes to multiply hisown flesh by eating the flesh of other creatures meets with disaster.(115.9-12)
“That man, who having eaten meat, gives it up afterwards wins merit by such adeed that is so great that a study of all the Vedas or a performance, OBharata, of all the sacrifices , cannot give its like. (115.16)
“That learned person who gives to all living creatures the gift of completeassurance is forsooth regarded as the giver of lifebreaths in this world.(115.18)
“Men gifted with intelligence and purified souls should always treat others asthey themselves wish to be treated. It is seen that even those men who areendued with learning and who seek to acquire the greatest good in the shape ofliberation, are not free of the fear of death. (115.20)
“What necessity be said of those innocent and healthy creatures gifted withlove of life, when they are sought to be killed by sinful wretches living byslaughter? Therefore, O King, know that the discarding of meat is the highestrefuge of religion, of the celestial region, and of happiness. Abstention ofinjury is the highest religion. It is, again, the highest penance.It is also the highest truth from which all duty emanates. (115.21-23)
“Flesh cannot be had from grass or wood or stone. Unless a living creature iskilled it cannot be procured. Hence is the fault of eating flesh. Thecelestials who live upon Svaha, Svadha, and nectar, are given to truth andsincerity. Those persons, however, who are for satisfying the sensation oftaste, should be known as Rakshasas pervaded by thequality of Darkness. (115.24-25)
“If there were nobody who ate flesh, then there would be nobody to slay livingcreatures. The man who slays living creatures kills them for the sake of theperson who eats flesh. If flesh were not considered as food, there would thenbe no destruction of living creatures. It is for the sake of the eater that thedestruction of living entities is carried on in the world. Since, O you ofgreat splendor, the period of life is shortened by persons who kill livingcreatures or cause them to be killed, it is clear that the person who seeks hisown good should give up meat altogether. Those dreadful persons who are engagedin the destruction of living beings never find protectors when they are inneed. Such persons should always be molested and punished even as beast ofprey. (115.29-32)
“That man who seeks to multiply his own flesh by (eating) the flesh of othershas to live in this world in great anxiety, and after death has to take birthin indifferent races and families. High Rishis given to the observance of vowsand self-control have said that abstention from meat is worthy of praise,productive of fame and Heaven, and a great satisfaction itself. This I heardformerly, O son of Kunti, from Markandeya when that Rishi discoursed on thesins of eating flesh. (115.34-36)
“He who purchases flesh, kills living creatures through his money. He who eatsflesh, kills living beings through his eating. He who binds or seizes andactually kills living creatures is the slaughterer. These are the three sortsof slaughter through each of these acts. He who does not himself eat flesh butapproves of an act of slaughter, becomes stained with the sin of slaughter.(115.38-39)
“That wretched man who kills living creatures for the sake of those who wouldeat them commits great sin. The eater’s sin is not as great. That wretched manwho, following the path of religious rites and sacrifices as laid down in theVedas, would kill a living creature from a desire to eats its flesh, willcertainly go to hell. That man who having eaten flesh abstains from itafterwards acquires great merit on account of such abstention from sin. He whoarranges for obtaining flesh, he who approves of those arrangements, he whokills, he who buys or sells, he who cooks, and he who eats it, are all considered as eaters of flesh. that man whowishes to avoid disaster should abstain from the meat of every living creature.(115.44-48)
“Listen to me, O king of kings, as I tell you this, O sinless one, there isabsolute happiness in abstaining from meat, O king. He who practices severeausterities for a century, and he who abstains from meat, are both equallymeritorious. This is my opinion. (115.52-53)
“Yudhisthira said: Alas, those cruel men who, not caring for various othersorts of food, want only flesh, are really like great Rakshasas . (116.1)
“Bhishma said: That man who wishes to increase his own flesh by the meat ofanother living creature is such that there is none meaner and more cruel thanhe. In this world there is nothing that is dearer to a creature than his life.Hence, one should show mercy to the lives of others as he does to his own life.Forsooth, O son, flesh has its origin in the vital seed. There is great sinattached to its eating, as, indeed, there is merit in abstaining from it.(116.11-13)
“There is nothing, O delighter of the Kurus, that is equal in point of merit,either in this world or in the next, to the practice of mercy to all livingcreatures. (116.19)
“Hence a person of purified soul should be merciful to all living creatures.That man, O king, who abstains from every kind of meat from his birth forsooth,acquires a large space in the celestial region. They who eat the flesh ofanimals who are desirous of life, are themselves eaten by the animalsthey eat. This is my opinion. Since he has eaten me, I shall eat him in return.This, O Bharata, forms the character as Mamsah of Mamsah . The destroyer is always slain.After him the eater meets with the same fate. (116.32-35)
“He who acts with hostility towards another becomes victim of similar deedsdone by that other. Whatever acts one does in whatever bodies, he has to sufferthe consequences thereof in those bodies. (116.36-37)
“Abstention from cruelty is the highest Religion. Abstention from cruelty isthe greatest self-restraint. Abstention from cruelty is the highest gift.Abstention from cruelty is the highest penance. Abstention from cruelty is thehighest sacrifice. Abstention from cruelty is the highest power. Abstentionfrom cruelty is the greatest friend. Abstention from cruelty is the greatesthappiness. (116.38-39)
“Gifts made in all sacrifices , ablutions performed in all sacredwater, and the merit which one acquires from making all kinds of giftsmentioned in the scriptures, all these do not equal in merit abstention fromcruelty.” (116.40)
THE QUESTION OF WHETHER LORD RAMA ATE MEAT IN THE RAMAYANA
Sometimes the idea comes up that the Ramayana indicates that Lord Rama ate meat, especially while He was in exile in the woods. However, there is no verse in Valmiki’s Ramayana that establishes that Lord Rama, Lakshmana or Sita ate meat while in or even out of exile. In fact, it seems to show that He very much disliked the notion of eating meat. The evidence for this is as follows:
The verse that comes in question in this regard in the Valmiki Ramayana, Sundarakanda, Skanda 36, Sloka 41, says: “Na mamsam Raghava bhunkte, na chaiva madhu sevate, Vanyam suvihitam nityam bhaktamsnati panchamam.”
The literal translation of this verse is: “Sri Rama does not take meat or honey. He partakes everyday of wild fruits and boiled (wild) rice fully sanctioned (for an ascetic) in the evening.”
Faulty English translations have put it as something like this: Hanuman to Sita, “When you were away, Sri Rama did not even take deer meat.” This incorrectly implies that Rama normally may have ate meat but did not do so while Sita was away from Him.
Now in this verse, the Sanskrit word bhunkte is a verb that means strong desire for eating. It comes from the Sanskrit bhaksha, which means voracious eating. When you say Na bhunkte, as we see in the line that says “Na mamsam Raghava bhunkte”, it gives a complete negative connotation, meaning that Lord Rama abhorred meat-eating. On the other hand, if the words were “Na mamsam Raghavo khadate”, it could then mean that Raghava may have engaged in meat eating before, but had stopped it at this point. However, this is not what is said, but is where some English translations present a similar confusion, or are simply unclear about this issue. Nonetheless, by analyzing the correct view of the proper translation, it indicates clearly that the Valmiki Ramayana shows how Lord Rama not only did not eat meat, but greatly disliked it. THE PRINCIPAL OF BEING MERCIFUL
Meat-eating and animal slaughter also disrupts and disregards the doctrine of ahimsa, or non-violence. It is not possible to kill animals for the pleasure of the tongue without violence. The Padma Purana (1.31.27) simply says that, “Ahimsa is the highest duty.” Therefore, one must honestly ask themselves if they intend to truly follow the Vedic tenets or not, at least if they call themselves a Hindu, follower of Vedanta, or a Sanatana-dharmist. If they are, then they must adopt the ways of ahimsa.
Ahimsa is more directly explained in Patanjali’s Yoga Sutras (2.30) wherein it is said: “Having no ill feeling for any living being, in all manners possible and for all times, is called ahimsa, and it should be the desired goal of all seekers.”
It is also said in the Buddhist scripture, the Mahaparinirvana Sutra, “The eating of meat extinguishes the seed of great compassion.”
One of the principles that one must follow in the endeavor to be free from acquiring bad karma and for spiritual advancement is being merciful, based on ahimsa. Mercy means more than just being nice. Mercy means being kind to all living entities, not just to humans, but also to animals, birds, insects, etc. This is because the living entity, depending on its consciousness, can take a material body in any one of the 8,400,000 species of life. Therefore, to develop and maintain the quality of mercy, one must follow the principle of no meat eating. This includes no eating of meat, fish, eggs, or insects. In this way, those who are serious about a spiritual path remain free from so many unnecessary karmic reactions. Karma means that for every action there is an opposite and equal reaction. Killing an animal to eat is certainly an act of violence that creates a negative reaction in the atmosphere which returns as more violence. This comes back to us as reversals in life which we must endure in the future.
It is bluntly stated that meat eating is actually the grossest form of spiritual ignorance. To kill other living entities for the pleasure of the tongue is a cruel and selfish activity that requires one to be almost completely blind to the spiritual reality of the living being, that within the body is a soul like you, a part and parcel of the Supreme Soul. It also causes one to remain hard-hearted and less sensitive to the concern for the wellbeing and feelings of others.
As previously explained, according to the law of karma, whatever pain we cause for others we will have to suffer in the future. Therefore, a wise man does not even want to harm an insect if possible, what to speak of slaughtering an animal in order to taste its flesh and blood. As explained in the Manu-samhita, the sinful reaction for animal slaughter is received by six kinds of participants, which include, (1) the killer of the animal, (2) one who advocates or advertises meat-eating, (3) one who transports the meat, (4) one who handles or packages the meat, (5) one who prepares or cooks the meat, and (6) one who eats it.
The sinful reaction shared by these six participants in animal slaughter is serious. In fact, the Bible compares the killing of cows to murdering a man: “He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man.” (Isaiah 66.3) It is also explained in the Sri Caitanya-caritamrita (Adi-lila, Chapter 17, verse 166): “Cow killers are condemned to rot in hellish life for as many thousands of years as there are hairs on the body of the cow,” which is also referenced in the Manu-samhita. So an intelligent person will try to avoid this fate.
Some readers may say, however, that the sacrifices in the early Vedic literature prescribed animal slaughter, so for that reason it is all right to kill animals. But such activities in this day and age are refuted by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu in the Caitanya-caritamrita (Adi-lila, Chapter 17, verses 159-165) which He explains to the Chand Kazi who was a Muslim:
“The Vedas clearly enjoin that cows should not be killed. Therefore any Hindu, whoever he may be, does not indulge in cow killing. In the Vedas and Puranas there are injunctions declaring that if one can revive a living being, he can kill it for experimental purposes . Therefore the great sages sometimes killed old animals, and by chanting Vedic hymns they again brought them to life for protection. The killing and rejuvenation of such old and invalid animals was not truly killing but an act of great benefit. Formerly there were great powerful brahmanas who could make such experiments using Vedic hymns, but now, because of Kali-yuga, brahmanas are not so powerful. Therefore the killing of cows and bulls for rejuvenation is forbidden. ‘In this age of Kali, five acts are forbidden: the offering of a horse in sacrifice, the offering of a cow in sacrifice, the acceptance of the order of sannyasa, the offering of oblations of flesh to the forefathers, and a man’s begetting children in his brother's wife.’ Since you Mohammedans cannot bring killed animals back to life, you are responsible for killing them. Therefore you are going to hell; there is no way for your deliverance.”
This quotation makes it perfectly clear how anyone who participates in killing other living beings is responsible for such acts which cause one to attain a hellish future, or at the least, causes stifling of their spiritual progress. We mentioned the karmic reactions for killing the cow, but there are karmic results that one acquires from killing other entities as well, which is to suffer a similar pain or die in a similar way. Whatever you do unto others will later return to you, either in this life or in a future life. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. That is the law of karma.
We can now begin to understand how dark the future is for someone who owns or manages something like a hamburger or fried chicken stand. Not only is he responsible for the animals that are killed, cooked, and then sold by his business, but he is also responsible for those he hires to help with it, and those who buy and eat the dead animals. We can also begin to get an idea of the dark collective karma of the population of a country whose food habits are centered around the meat industry. The violence that is generated by such a society certainly cannot help but create adverse affects in the world. Do you know what you're eating? Here is some info. for you :
1. French Fries. You might not know this, but 2 out of 3 fry recipes get their flavor by soaking in beef, chicken, or other animal fat. I have cut them out of my diet to prevent this.
2. Gelatin. Before you pick up a cup of Jello, be aware it is made by boiling pig/horse feet to get the gelatin.
3. Lard. In order for companies to create lard, they must cut open a hog to collect the fat. It is then made into lard. I would like to ask, if animals such ants, cockroaches, rats and etc which bring disease or even mosquito ....we need to kill them ...one example the rats urine which not good ....
Like myself, I need to kill all those tiny insects include snake if enter the houses...
what you think about it? bad to kill living things when such insects and animals bring danger and disease??:)
so, is your holy book is out dated??
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hmmmm..hindus no idea with my question Not to answer anything, please check dharmshastra... When people kill microorganism, there are various kind of prayascittam to purify the sins/doshas (pollutions)... The asuras are also killed everyday with arghyam and sandhyavandana... Those which causes diseases are deemed as asuras (demonic)...
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vikramavardhana posted on 14-5-2014 06:14 PM static/image/common/back.gif
Not to answer anything, please check dharmshastra... When people kill microorganism, there are vario ...
Not to answer anything, please check dharmshastra... When people kill microorganism, there are various kind of prayascittam to purify the sins/doshas (pollutions)... The asuras are also killed everyday with arghyam and sandhyavandana... Those which causes diseases are deemed as asuras (demonic)...
not to answer anything? what is dharmshastra? another holy book too? prayascittam? what is this?arghyam and sandhyavandana? so you saying killing those dirty insect that crawl into my house is bad asuras??? hmm???{:1_550:}
let megive you tell you this:
when I kept my house very clean than you wouldsee any insects....
when dirty insects comes to ours house, it indicate that the house is not clean and need to getpurfiy and clean....
that the reason why the Supreme create all this insects...
not to answer anything?
Because our answers would not justify anything as you already inclined yourself to the way you perceive the world. You have a cup filled with coffee but you won't drink the coffee inside the cup. You do not feel the need to drink other kind of beverages. So, you do not allow your cup to be poured with other kind of drinks even though you see many kind of drinks in the menu. So, basically, I'm not trying to answer anything but helping other fellow Hindus to understand their own way of life when they step inside this thread.
what is dharmshastra? another holy book too?
Shastra refers to our intellectual discussions with regard to the conduct of our samaj (society), civilization and the administration. It becomes the legal code for the Court. The royal Brahmins should teach these to the Mahakshatriyas or the rulers of certain country who adhere to the Brahminical way of life. The discussion of the code would be referred to our principal sources which are the shruti (vedas), smrti (which some of the basic texts include the Bhagavadgita and Puranas), and acara (interpretation of how the law would be in function).
Just like British Common Law or Continental European Law, we had developed our own system since Vedic periods up to now but since Indian Republic is a secular country, it does not establish its constitution based the Hindu Law even when many of the lawyers in India are Vaishnava Brahmins. There is no Hindu kingdom anymore in India except some of Hindu kings were downgraded as governors in Bali of Indonesia (they're closer to the Siva Siddhantas) while Buddhist kings in Thailand and Cambodia only employ the customary Hindu norms for their royal ceremonies. Nepali royal family were all dead in a tragic incident, so they're not Hindu in their governance since then too.
prayascittam? what is this?arghyam and sandhyavandana?
Prayascittams are litanies to remind ourselves that we do not intentionally kill other living beings. It serves as the mind purifiers where we must remember that other beings too possess the spirits of the God. While arghyam means the weapon which we sought from Suryadev. It refers to the energy for us to combat gloominess or laziness in our selves. Those gloominess and laziness are among the destroyers of our civilization so they're asuras.
so you saying killing those dirty insect that crawl into my house is bad asuras??? hmm??? http://mforum.cari.com.my/static/image/smiley/default/icon_rolleyes.gif
Let me repeat the answer from your own point of view with regard to asuras in our view since you asked the question...and then you question them again when we mention on the demonic qualities in the creatures of the universe... This is known as "tangkap songlap" attitude...
I would like to ask, if animals such ants, cockroaches, rats and etc which bring disease or even mosquito ....we need to kill them ...one example the rats urine which not good ....
Like myself, I need to kill all those tiny insects include snake if enter the houses...
what you think about it? bad to kill living things when such insects and animals bring danger and disease??http://mforum.cari.com.my/static/image/smiley/default/smile.gif
so, is your holy book is out dated??
There is still an obligation for us to say prayascittam and seek forgiveness from the God and from the spirit of the killed frame (carcass, body). This is about responsibility. The concept of asuras is almost comparable to the Middle Eastern concept of Satan and their Christians' fallen angel. But as to say, the Middle East is not unique because this universe is within His embodiment of Supreme Rule. Their religion is for them, for us is our religion. We do not have to follow their sages because we've our own rishis, munis, bhagavans who received revelations as according to Christians, Jewish or Muslim way of speeches...
when I kept my house very clean than you wouldn'tsee any insect....
when dirty insects comes to ours house, it indicate that the house is not clean and need to get purfiy and clean....
that the reason why the Supreme create all this insects...
We know these... We even have the concept of dhanas during our religious observance festivals where we donate grains, fruits, milk and edible stuffs for insects, animals and unfortunate people including prayers as offerings to the holy spirits who dwell within the frames of the created body :)
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vikramavardhana posted on 16-5-2014 03:45 PM static/image/common/back.gif
Because our answers would not justify anything as you already inclined yourself to the way you per ...
in the Bible we have list of meats can be eaten and some are not to be eaten...it has good details on the issue why Supreme create pigs and few others unclean animals which not suitable for human consumption...
but your holy book did not says such when you says killing those insects and etc is sin...
how relevant is your Book orit is not suitable at present time???
i can list all the animals which is clean and unclean according to my faith ...why this animals not suppose to be eaten...
vikramavardhana posted on 16-5-2014 03:45 PM static/image/common/back.gif
Because our answers would not justify anything as you already inclined yourself to the way you per ...
We know these... We even have the concept of dhanas during our religious observance festivals where we donate grains, fruits, milk and edible stuffs for insects, animals and unfortunate people including prayers as offerings to the holy spirits who dwell within the frames of the created body http://mforum.cari.com.my/static/image/smiley/default/smile.gif
you know nuts....
commen sense...when we keep our place dirty...surly you see insects coming in....an indication house is not clean...so we killed and make sure keep it clean
so, itwas that reason why God created suchinsects to warn us ....killing it not going make us sin...unless if those insects do not enter our house...than one should not kill it unless it bring diseases or kind ofdanger....
Truth.8 posted on 19-5-2014 10:09 AM static/image/common/back.gif
in the Bible we have list of meats can be eaten and some are not to be eaten...it has good details ...
It's good for you then {:1_509:} :D
However, why I can see most Christians take the pork when pork is forbidden within the OT Jewish book? When I asked them, they answered me that it is the spirit which should be clean, so why bother on the ritualistic dietary? On the other hand, Jesus came and crucifixed to start the NT and non-Jewish could also escape circumcision or pork restriction when they accept Jesus through apostles who went to Greece. I took several notes on the evidences from your epistles (NT) too but I won't say anything positive or negative about it since I do not care on what Christians believe. I know Christian sects and the interpretation of the gospels but how far is your understanding on our various sects and interpretation of our scriptures?
For your information, I do not take beef nor pork too because it is in our dharm (responsibility). I'm a lacto-vegetarian and I would risk excommunication from our community if I do not follow the scriptures. Dietary law within our holy book is by the Veda which we recite. One of them is in Rigveda and from sutras of our sages such as Baudhyana and Apastambha. For non-Brahmin Hindus, they can eat several kind of foods since our religion recognize the human nature and mental inclination which is framed in the Gita's term, Swadharm. However, in certain period, they too must be strict vegetarian in order to perform several rituals as according to the interpretation of our religious law.
I cannot see any concrete dietary law in Christianity too except that you guys too possess exegators who interprete the words of your holy books. Those which is mentioned in the OT is the law for the Israelites and the converted Jewish. Not to the non-Israelite Christians. Some would interprete, the apostle Paul has been inspired by the holy spirit to permit Christians taking pork or others. He cancels the boundaries in the Old Testament. While some, like Muslims though non-Christians say that Jesus did not come to abolish OT.
I heard many of the brawls from Zaker Nike's mumblings but I just don't understand why it matters so much on him to prove things here and there like some Christians' videos talking about they're saved by accepting the Christ? So, say if we accept that Jewish Guru, then we could get away from hell without being burn at all even if we commit crimes or if we neglect the vespers, the vigils or the daily mass since Jesus already confirmed this on the crucifix? How certain we're on this? It would be better for us to commit our ancestral path first and understand them well rather than starting everything new based on the promises made by evangelists. They're human-being too, not some inspired beings :D
Truth.8 posted on 19-5-2014 10:12 AM static/image/common/back.gif
you know nuts....
commen sense...when we keep our place dirty...surly you see insects coming...
Yes, I agree that it is a common sense. In the present, those insects that you see are just some insects that serves as indicator for a clean or filthy places.
But in our view, they possess the spirits but with limited senses such as the intellectual faculties since they're trapped in the flies, or ants body (animals and insects realm). So, we pray for them even when we kill them and seeking forgiveness from Shri Venkat (the Most Forgiver) to forgive us and the killed soul. From the Upanishads, Puranas, and the Itihasas, we receive the motto, "ahimsa is our highest responsibility and the most precious teaching".
Other than that, being clean or filthy is one's personal attitude. It does not concern with your religion. Sometimes, you cannot avoid from looking dirty in certain occassion. For e.g, you see the portrayal of Jesus in dirty sack cloth after being chased by the Romans or half naked because of the crucifixion incident. While, maybe some modern Christians think that, they do not have to imitate everything which happens to Jesus or being a little heterodox, but some of those who're more to orthodox view believe that through imitating his ways would make them feel closer to God or the Father in heaven.
Source : http://forumforhinduawakening.org/dharma/news/2014/05/18/indias-hindu-nationalists-curb-beef-exports/
Beef production in India is dominated by Muslims, a minority in the country, and therefore a ban could stir sectarian divisions.
India’s main Hindu nationalist party says it plans to clamp down on beef exports if it takes power after general elections that end on Monday, threatening supplies from one of the world’s biggest shippers of the meat.
Surprisingly in a country where so many view cows as sacred, India has been poised to become the No.1 beef exporting nation, supplying markets such as Malaysia, Thailand, Vietnam and Egypt.
Although most of that is from buffalo, which are not worshipped by Hindus, the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) wants to curb exports that jar with the country’s vegetarian tradition and to bolster the availability of animals reared to work on farms and for their milk.
“If elected, we will crack down on beef exports and we will also review the subsidy the government gives for beef or buffalo meat exports,” Satpal Malik, the BJP vice-president who drafted the farm policy section of its election manifesto, told Reuters.
To help beef producers and exporters set up abattoirs, the federal government pays 50-75 percent of the cost of construction.
The BJP manifesto defines the “cow and its progeny” as integral to India’s cultural heritage – appealing to the party’s core constituency of Hindus who abhor eating beef.
This could mean that in the future, Malaysia and other Asian countries will not be able to export beef from India and India will have taken the first step toward becoming a Hindu nation.
This could mean that in the future, Malaysia and other Asian countries will not be able to export beef from India and India will have taken the first step toward becoming a Hindu nation.
{:1_509:}{:1_132:} The Science of Eating and Good Health
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India is the home not only of vegetarian cooking, but also of the science of healthful living. The scripture known as the Ayur-veda, is the oldest known work on biology, hygiene, medicine, and nutrition. This branch of the Vedas was revealed thousands of years ago by Sri Bhagavan Danvantari, an incarnation of Krishna. "Old", is not the same as "primitive", however, and some of the instructions of the Ayur-veda will remind today's reader of modern nutritional teachings or just plain common sense. Other instructions may seem less familiar, but they will bear themselves out if given the chance.
We shouldn't be surprised to see bodily health discussed in spiritual writings. The Vedas consider the human body a divine gift, a chance for the imprisoned soul to escape from the cycle of birth and death. The importance of healthful living in spiritual life is also mentioned by Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad-gita (6.16-17), "There is no possibility of becoming a yogi, O Arjuna, if one eats too much or eats too little, sleeps too much or does not sleep enough. One who is temperate in his habits of eating, sleeping, working, and recreation can mitigate all material pains by practicing the yoga system."
Proper eating has a double importance. Besides its role in bodily health-over-eating, eating in a disturbed or anxious state of mind, or eating unclean foods causes indigestion, "the parent of all diseases"-proper eating can help the aspiring transcendentalist attain mastery over his senses. "Of all the senses, the tongue is the most difficult to control," says the prasada-sevaya, a song composed by Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura, one of the spiritual predecessors of Srila Prabhupada, "but Krishna has kindly given us this nice prasada to help us control the tongue."
Here are a few guidelines for good eating taken from the Ayur-veda and other scriptures.
Spiritualize your eating
The Bhagavad-gita (17.8-10) divides foods into three classes: those of the quality of goodness, those of the quality of passion, and those of the quality of ignorance. The most healthful are the foods of goodness. "Foods of the quality of goodness increase the duration of life; purify one's existence; and give strength, health, happiness, and satisfaction. Such foods are sweet, juicy, fatty, and palatable."
Foods that are too bitter, sour, salty, pungent, dry or hot, are of the quality of passion and cause distress. But foods of the quality of ignorance, such as meat, fish, and fowl, described as "putrid, decomposed, and unclean," produce only pain, disease, and bad karma. In other words, what you eat affects the quality of your life. There is much needless suffering in the world today, because most people have no other criterion for choosing food than price and sensual desire.
The purpose of food, however, is not only to increase longevity and bodily strength, but also to purify the mind and consciousness. Therefore the spiritualist offers his food to the Lord before eating. Such offered food clears the way for spiritual progress. There are millions of people in India and around the world who would not consider eating unless their food was offered first to Lord Krishna.
Eat at fixed times
As far as possible, take your main meal at the solar midday, when the sun is highest, because that's when your digestive power is strongest. Wait at least three hours after a light meal and five after a heavy meal before eating again. Eating at fixed times without snacking between meals helps make the mind and tongue peaceful.
Eat in a pleasant atmosphere
A cheerful mood helps digestion; a spiritual mood, even more. Eat in pleasant surroundings and center the conversation around spiritual topics. According to the Ksema-kuntuhala, a Vedic cookbook from the 2nd century A.D., a pleasant atmosphere and a good mood are as important to proper digestion as the quality of the food.
Look upon your food as Krishna's mercy. Food is a divine gift, so cook it, server it, and eat it in a spirit of joyful reverence.
Combine foods wisely
Foods should be combined for taste, and for efficient digestion and assimilation of nutrients. Rice and other grains go well with vegetables. Milk products such as cheese, yogurt and buttermilk go well with grains and vegetables, but fresh milk does not go well with vegetables.
The typical Vedic lunch of rice, split-lentil soup, vegetables, and chapatis is a perfect balanced meal.
Avoid combining vegetables with raw fruits. (Fruits are best eaten as a separate meal or with hot milk.) Also avoid mixing acidic fruits with alkaline fruits, or milk with fermented milk products.
Share prasada with others
Srila Rupa Gosvami explains in the Upadesamrita a five-hundred year-old classic about devotional service, "One of the ways for devotees to express love is to offer prasada and accept prasada from one another." A gift from God is too good a thing to keep to oneself, so the scriptures recommend sharing prasada with others, be they friends or strangers. In ancient India-and many still follow the practice-householder would open his door at mealtime and call out, "Prasada! prasada! prasada! If anyone is hungry, let him come and eat!" After welcoming his guests and offering them all the comforts at his disposal, he would feed them to their full satisfaction before taking his own meal. Even if you can't follow this practice, look for occasions to offer prasada to others, and you will appreciate prasada more yourself.
Be clean
Vedic culture places great emphasis on cleanliness, both internal and external. For internal cleanliness, we can cleanse the mind and heart of material contamination by chanting Vedic mantras, particularly the Hare Krishna mantra. External cleanliness includes keeping a high standard of cleanliness when cooking and eating. Naturally this includes the usual good habits of washing the hands before eating, and the hands and mouth after.
Eat moderately
Vitality and strength depend not on how much we eat, but on how much we are able to digest and absorb into our system. The stomach needs working space, so instead of filling it completely, fill it just halfway, by eating only half as much as you think you can, and leave a fourth of the space for liquids and the other fourth for air. You'll help your digestion and get more pleasure from eating.
Moderate eating will also give satisfaction to your mind and harmony to your body. Overeating makes the mind agitated or dull and the body heavy and tired.
Don't pour water on the fire of digestion
Visible flames and invisible combustion are two aspects of what we call "fire." Digestion certainly involves combustion. We often speak of "burning up" fat or calories, and the word "calorie" itself refers to the heat released when food is burned. The Vedas inform us that our food is digested by a fire called Jatharagni (the Fire in the Belly). Therefore, because we often drink with our meals, the effect of liquid on fire becomes an important consideration in the art of eating.
Drinking before the meal tempers the appetite and, consequently, the urge to overeat. Drinking moderately while eating helps the stomach do its job, but drinking afterwards dilutes the gastric juices nad reduces the fire of digestion. Wait at least an hour after eating before drinking again, and, if need be, you can drink every hour after that until the next meal.
Don't waste food
The scriptures tell us that for every bit of food wasted in times of plenty, an equal amount will be lacking in times of need. Put on your plate only as much as you can eat, and save any leftovers for the next meal. (To reheat food it is usually necessary to add liquid and simmer in a covered pan. Stir well and frequently.)
If for some reason prasada had to be discarded, then feed it to animals, bury it, or put it in a body of water. Prasada is sacred and should never be put in the garbage. Whether cooking or eating, be careful about not wasting food.
Try an occasional fast
It may seem unusual for a cookbook to recommend fasting, but according to the Ayur-veda, fasting strengthens both will power and bodily health. An occasional fast gives the digestive system a rest and refreshes the senses, mind, and consciousness.
In most cases, the Ayur-veda recommends a water fast. Juice fasting is popular in the West because Western methods encourage long fasts. In Ayur-vedic treatment, however, most fasts are short-one to three days. While fasting, one should not drink more water than needed to quench one's thirst. Jatharagni, the fire of digestion, being freed from the task of digesting food, is busy incinerating the accumulated wastes in the body, and too much water inhibits the process.
Devotees of Krishna observe another kind of fast on Ekadasi, the eleventh day after the full moon and the eleventh day after the new moon, by abstaining from grains, peas, and beans. The Brahma-vaivarta scripture says, "One who observes Ekadasi is freed from all kinds of reactions to sinful activities, and thereby advances in pious life."
Source : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXr7HdgZCWw
What the F@#K .... :shakehead3:
Since when did Alcholol and Tobacco considered to be vegetarian food? :shakehead3:
And even more funnier statement - Muslims eats non-violent creature cos they want to be non-violent. Where does this joker - Zakir Naik get his information from? Daydream from Allah like Muhammad did? BODOH. :shakehead3: Edited by Sephiroth at 27-10-2015 05:48 PM
Source : https://sg.news.yahoo.com/9-food ... diet-121759379.html
Surprise ... Surprise. Actually not. I know sooner or later, we will get information which shows that many of the meat consumption we have today are actually harmful to our health. This article is just one such information.
Processed meat
The World Health Organization says eating processed meat can lead to bowel cancer in humans while red meat is a likely cause of the disease. The group put processed meat such as hot dogs and ham in its group 1 list, which already includes tobacco, asbestos and diesel fumes, for which there is “sufficient evidence” of cancer links. Beef, lamb and pork was classified as a “probable” carcinogen in its group 2A list that also contains glyphosate, the active ingredient in many weedkillers.
Processed meat here means everything from chicken, mutton, beef and pork. This is because many of the process plants actually use chemicals to preserve the meat longer. In nature, meat attend to get rotten within 24 to 48 hours. Plus animals which have been bred for meat are also introduced with various unnatural compounds to fatten it.
Farm-Raised Fish
We love the nutritional benefits of fish, but unfortunately, farmed fish lack a significant amount of the nutritional benefits that we associate with wild catch. The difference in nutritional value is due to their food source. While wild fish consume their omega-3s from aquatic plants, farmed fish are fed with a high-corn diet. This causes farmed fish to accumulate unhealthy levels of the fatty acids (which you can see in the thicker fat deposits of a salmon filet, for example).
Additionally, farmed fish are often given antibiotics, which can cause humans who eat farmed fish to develop antibiotic-resistant disease. Then there are the ethical questions to think about in terms of farm fishing. Farmed fish are subjected to the routine stresses of hyper-confinement and are typically killed in slow, painful ways.
Now this is Karma in action. We will kill farmed fishes in a slow way and they in turn kill us in a slow way as well. Can't help but to smile reading this. :C
Deli meat
This applies to processed meats in the United States more than anywhere else. In America, deli counter meats like ham, salami, hot dogs, and bacon aren’t just packed with artery-clogging fats. According to the US National Library of Medicine, they can have up to 400% more sodium and 50% more preservatives than unprocessed red meats. Environmental Working Group shares even more terrifying findings: Some deli meats contain nitrites and nitrates to enhance the color and flavor of the meat, and these chemical additives have been linked to various cancers. Alternatively, go for a fresh cut of New York steak, or if you’re craving that salty taste of cured meat, opt for lox.
Non-organic eggs
A recent scientific study published by the Johns Hopkins University Center for a Livable Future found that poultry on factory farms are “routinely fed caffeine, active ingredients of Tylenol and Benadryl, banned antibiotics, and even arsenic.” Examination of feather meal, a poultry byproduct made of feathers, from China revealed traces of an antidepressant that is the active ingredient in Prozac. Opt for organic poultry and eggs in order to eliminate your chances of ingesting these hidden and potentially dangerous chemicals.
IF after reading this, readers do not go into vegetarian diets, you all should book yourself a reservation to crematorium. I could not recommend burial because you will be stinking up the Planet even after you die.
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