lkick2113
Publish time 5-10-2009 01:22 PM
Post Last Edit by lkick2113 at 5-10-2009 13:23
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/lmt-105-LIWAM14.jpg
lkick2113
Publish time 5-10-2009 01:24 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0a/Rooikat-rear.jpg
escortburuk
Publish time 5-10-2009 02:33 PM
Rooikat tak boleh berenang laa... Rasanya requirement kita maukan kenderaan yang boleh berenang
dreamwarrior
Publish time 5-10-2009 02:42 PM
konpem TDM tak mau Rooikat sebab tak boleh berenang. ada ker 8 x 8 yang pakai 105mm boleh berenang?
Laxamana.
Publish time 5-10-2009 02:57 PM
Malaysia will probably go for simple APC je... but with good quality and better protection untuk ganti Condor... criteria armamentis secondary.
cmf_tin
Publish time 5-10-2009 03:08 PM
164# dreamwarrior
wa rasa AMV boleh bawak 105mm dan masih retain its amphibious capability as long as its overall weight doesn't exceed 22 tons.
having said that, kenapa nak bubuh 105mm gun pada APC? kan ker overkill tuh? kalo nak suruh APC duel dgn MBT, baik luperkan jer laaa...
baik bubuh auto cannon. boleh tembak IFV, APC, heli dan jugak infantri... byk faedahnya. oh ya, amphibious capability pon tara kacau... :P
escortburuk
Publish time 5-10-2009 03:21 PM
164# dreamwarrior
8x8 tak sure, tapi 6x6 mmg ada. French AMX10RC.
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a76/ezmil75/AMX-10-RC.jpg
dreamwarrior
Publish time 5-10-2009 03:36 PM
nak tanya soalan bodoh boleh ker? round 105mm AFSV sama ker dengan round 105mm howitzer?
cmf_tin
Publish time 5-10-2009 03:43 PM
hmmm... wa tertanya2 gak. antara APC dengan meriam 25mm @ 30mm dan APC dengan meriam 105mm, yang mana yg enemy's fire magnet?
yaminz
Publish time 5-10-2009 03:50 PM
169# cmf_tin
105mm, at least can destroy MBT especially Russia and Chinese made...
guyfawke
Publish time 5-10-2009 03:59 PM
tapi kalau letak benda alah tu tak jadik top heavy ke?
cmf_tin
Publish time 5-10-2009 04:05 PM
170# yaminz
betul... kalo lu boleh tembak dulu dan kalo sekali tembak, dah musnah...
kalo 105mm FSV mau musnahkan MBT, depa kena buat dgn cara ambush. pastuh lariiii.....
nak lari pulak, kena tgk terrain. kalo jalan berturap,cantik. tapi kalo rugged terrain, tracked vehicles are king...
jofizo
Publish time 5-10-2009 04:49 PM
169# cmf_tin
105mm, at least can destroy MBT especially Russia and Chinese made...
yaminz Post at 5-10-2009 15:50 http://mforum6.cari.com.my/images/common/back.gif
betul 3x........... tapi kena sharpshooter ler, kalau tak kena..... naya lar tambah lak enemy ngan bushmaster 30mm, tak sempat nak reload kita nyer dah bersepai dulu...........{:3_89:}
yaminz
Publish time 5-10-2009 04:52 PM
173# jofizo
Yup betul, tapi sekrg da bole first shoot n first kill dgn lebih 90% accuracy... Krg dr 10% tu, Kommander mistake sebab silap buat kiraan... ;P ;P ;P
yaminz
Publish time 5-10-2009 04:52 PM
173# jofizo
Mostly da pakai auto-loaderkan... :sweat3: :sweat3: :sweat3:
yaminz
Publish time 5-10-2009 04:55 PM
172# cmf_tin
Kalo ambush kat jalan bturap rasa nyer da bersepai dulu, koz musuh da nmpk dan mostly MBT bole tembak sasaran dlm 2km - 3km tanpa halangan... {:3_89:} {:3_89:} {:3_89:}
jofizo
Publish time 5-10-2009 04:58 PM
174# yaminz
komander aim apc kat blkng, gunner aim yg depan.......... miscommunication la ni yek............ boleh la diterima............ekekeke
jofizo
Publish time 5-10-2009 05:02 PM
173# jofizo
Mostly da pakai auto-loaderkan... :sweat3: :sweat3: :sweat3:
yaminz Post at 5-10-2009 16:52 http://mforum6.cari.com.my/images/common/back.gif
auto-loader pun ada selang masa nyer.......... kalau 10 saat kat battlefield dah kira lama tuh..........
yaminz
Publish time 5-10-2009 05:15 PM
177# jofizo
Esp kalo komander tu cakap daerah, nanya la... sorg cakap utara, sorg ckp selatan, sorg ckp timur n sorg ckp barat... ;P ;P ;P
escortburuk
Publish time 5-10-2009 05:15 PM
Debate pasal wheeled tank destroyer ni mmg dah lama. Aku rasa kalau kita nak satu detachment armour yang boleh bergerak pantas ke kawasan konflik, maka wheeled tank destroyer fits the bill. Sudah tentu dia akan disokong dgn AIFV jenis beroda jugak yang bawak 25mm / 30mm gun dan lebih baik lagi, disokong dgn kenderaan bawak anti aircraft gun / missile.
Walaupun kenderaan jenis ni blom battle proven kat kawasan hutan atau dense urban area, tapi South African army pernah utilized wheeled tank destroyer masa perang dgn Angola dulu. Depa pakai Ratel dan Eland, dua2 pakai meriam 90mm yang berjaya musnahkan beberapa buah tank T-55 (walaupun perlu tembak beberapa shot utk kill).
Bagi aku, mana2 tank atau tank destroyer division takkan survive lama dlm battle kalau takda support dari kenderaan lain dan infantry. Lagipun kat region kita, aku rasa Singapore je yg ada real MBT aka Leopard & Tempest. AMX 13 dia pun aku rasa kena bantai dgn 105mm gun berkecai. Thai ada laa several M60 tapi aku mcm rasa dia tarak modern FCS, so susah gak la utk dia menembak on the move. Several round of 105 should disable them. Lain2 tank Thai mcm Walker Bulldog, Stingray & Chinese tank (apa jenis ntah) rasanya lebur kena dgn 105mm. Indonesia pakai Scorpion, pasti berkecai kena dgn 105mm.
Kesimpulannya, takleh gak nak put aside wheeled tank destroyer nih, esp. kalau kita anticipate battle dlm kawasan yang mempunyai jaringan jalanraya yang baik sbb yg pasti dia lagi laju dari MBT, walaupun armour dia nipis. Dengan support AIFV armed dgn autocannon, sudah pasti ia satu formidable force to be reckoned with.
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