Commandos under fire for abusing trainees
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/82929The army's elite squad's training techniques came under fire in Parliament today with a PKR member of parliament exposing their shocking training regiment.
Blatantly kicking a person
No answer from Defence Ministry
:L
So disband this unit?
Reply #1 zenslack's post
Civilians and politicians shouldnt get involved in professional military business...army training is not summer camp. But these days anything under 'tax payer money' always becomes issue :lol:Reply #3 zenslack's post
Some things memang parliament kena cari pasal like procurement or tenders, tapi some things like training methods shouldnt be questions, lagi lagi training commando, kalau POW training, takkan nak geletek sampai mati pakai bulu ayam kan, atau evade and escape ney training etc. Why shouldn't question? No accountability? And why POW? We going to war meh? :lol:Reply #5 zenslack's post
abis takkan nak latih komando cam budak plkn plak.. Dah nama pun commando...xkan training ala2 nyanyi2 keliling unggun api cam pengakap plak...bodo punya MP!:@ :@ :@ :@
Reply #7 mfadilaa's post
Kena ler trainning lemah lembut!!! :lol: :lol: Nie dia punya full article.. :PCommandos under fire for abusing trainees
S Pathmawathy | May 15, 08 5:23pm
The army's elite squad's training techniques came under fire in Parliament today with a PKR member of parliament exposing their shocking training regiment.
Saifuddin Nasution Ismail (PKR-Machang) alleged that the Malaysian commando regiment was undertaking very humiliating training techniques to train its commandos.
He told a press conference at the Parliament lobby that he received a two-minute video-clip portraying trainers physically abusing trainees and stepping on their heads to tarnish their dignity.
military personnel tortured by army commandos 150508 sequence"This is a question of human dignity. Even the defence minister wouldn't want his head to stepped on, would he?" asked Saifuddin.
Saifuddin revealed the clip during the press conference and played its content which showed several men in black overalls blatantly kicking a person in a deserted area.
"When I received the clip, I spoke to several former commandos and they said no such method was used in their module training," he said.
"What's more worrying is the trainers seemed to be enjoying the torture inflicted on the individual.
"Is this incident already made known to the prime minister and what action has been taken?" he asked.
Saifuddin said that he received the video clip last week.
He refused to reveal his source, adding that he was also not sure where and which regiment the elite soldiers portrayed in the video clip came from.
He however added that the clip was taken very recently, based on verification by several former commandos that the uniform worn by the soldiers in the video were the new ones worn by the Malaysian commando regiment.
No answer from Najib
Saifuddin had earlier raised this matter during a parliamentary seating on Monday, to which the Deputy Prime Minister and Defence Minister Najib Abdul Razak brushed aside the question.
Instead of answering the question, Najib asked Saifuddin if he had encountered an event like that during his tenure as a political secretary in the Defence Ministry in the 1990s.
"I've never seen anything like this before even when I used to be the political secretary," Saifuddin responded today.
"I have a good reason to believe this is happening. Seeing is believing," he said.
When pointed out that the training methods were necessary to train the military in order to properly equip soldiers with combat techniques, he said "what necessity can there be to employ such humiliating method such as stepping one's head?"
"The ministry has to explain this to the general public because I don't think they will be pleased to see this happening," he added. http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb82/standupper/cab73f2884ba059e69a577957207ee2f.jpg nak training lembut2 masuk kelas bersolek atau memasak ler...
Reply #10 standupper's post
So stand...ur point of view?errr...diaorg dah tgk askar russia punya clip ke? bukan coommando pun kena kaw2:L :L
Reply #11 venez's post
ada gak...alat mekap kaler hijau hitam tu...pastu masak2 ular sawa ngan kera.....;P ;PReply #12 mfadilaa's post
Aku ada kat Parlimen masa diorg bangkitkan isu tuh.. POV aku... menyedihkan ler!! MP tuh ler yg menyedihkan!!! :lol: apa punya mamat ler... dah xder isi nak bangkitkan, alih2 isu budak2 sekolah yang nak dibahaskan kat parlimen... Wokey.. nie ada petikan penuh hansard parlimen bahas isu masa pengulungan Kementerian Pertahanan.Tuan Saifuddin Nasution bin Ismail : Terima kasih Yang Amat Berhormat Timbalan Perdana Menteri. Sebelum mengenai FELDA tadi, disentuh tentang tentera. Saya bangun lama sudah cuma peluang baru dibagi. Soalan saya ialah apakah Yang Amat Berhormat Timbalan Perdana Menteri yang juga Menteri Pertahanan sedar di satu kem latihan komando di negara kita dalam latihan asas komando, saya minggu lepas menerima kiriman video yang menyaksikan bagaimana latihan asas ini anggota awal komando diperlakukan dengan cukup dahsyat.
Saya bersedia menyerahkan kepada Yang Amat Berhormat pada bila-bila masa untuk diteliti. Kebetulan satu ketika saya pernah berada di Kementerian Pertahanan dengan menteri Dalam Negeri sekarang pernah masuk beberapa kem melihat modul-modul latihan tentera. Keadaan ini saya anggap dari sudut kemanusiaannya, dari sudut rejim latihannya dari sudut modulnya perlakuan itu sangat meloyakan, menjijikkan, mengaibkan, menghina status manusia.
Adakah Yang Amat Berhormat Timbalan Perdana Menteri yang juga Menteri Pertahanan sedar tentang wujudnya perbuatan ini yang buktinya ada dan dalam Dewan yang mulia ini saya bersedia melafazkan bahawa ia sesuatu perlu dilakukan, disiasat jika perlu diambil tindakan yang munasabah. Terima kasih.
Dato Kalau rajin dengar kat parlimen.. macam-macam isu ler... contohnya.. MP Batu, Tian Chua pun pertikai pembelian senjata canggih... ATM Perlu ker Senjata canggih???... Memang betul ler kebajikan anggota ATM kena jaga.. tapi takkan Tian Chua nak suruh pakai lastik dgn batu, botol, santau jer kot kalau musuh datang bawak MBT! :lol:Tadak chance ler lepas nie nak beli aset lagi.. :P
Petikan Hansard 14/05/08.. Jawapan penggulungan Kementerian Pertahanan.
Dato' Sri Haji Mohd. Najib bin Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Ahli Yang Berhormat Batu juga menyentuh mengenai pembelian senjata dan peralatan yang canggih yang menelan perbelanjaan yang besar tidak semestinya menjamin keselamatan negara.
Beliau juga berkata perkara yang sepatutnya diberi penekanan adalah menjaga modal insan khususnya kebajikan tentera termasuk kehidupan setelah bersara seperti pencen, peluang pekerjaan dan perumahan.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, anggapan Yang Berhormat dari Batu bahawa perolehan peralatan ketenteraan tidak menjamin keselamatan negara adalah tidak benar. Untuk makluman, Malaysia telah mengguna pakai konsep defensive posture dengan izin, dan segala usaha yang dilaksanakan untuk membangunkan keupayaan ketenteraan adalah berasaskan kepada keupayaan atau capability based, dengan izin. Dalam konteks Malaysia
capability based menjurus kepada pembangunan keupayaan credible yang diperlukan bagi mempertahankan kepentingan negara dari ancaman luar negara demi mempertahankan kedaulatan negara.
Pada masa yang sama Malaysia perlu mempunyai keupayaan deterrent untuk menjadikan lebih dihormati dan disegani. Kementerian Pertahanan sememangnya amat prihatin dan tidak lupa tentang kebajikan anggota tentera mahupun pesara-pesara tentera.
Sukacita dimaklumkan bahawa kerajaan akan terus mengambil perhatian dan berusaha untuk menjaga kebajikan anggota tentera secara menyeluruh melibatkan tindakan penambahbaikan dari segi skim perkhidmatan gaji, elaun, insentif dan peluang kenaikan pangkat. Kewujudan 1,645 jawatan fleksi post major dan leftenan kolonel telah diluluskan oleh kerajaan bagi jawatan-jawatan tertentu bagi menjaga kebajikan anggota tentera.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, adalah menjadi hasrat kementerian bahawa modal insan di kalangan anggota tentera terus dipertingkatkan. Pembangunan modal insan ini meliputi usaha-usaha bagi meningkatkan penguasaan ilmu pengetahuan, pengalaman nilai-nilai murni, pemupukan jiwa yang bercita-cita tinggi bersifat patriotik serta memiliki kekuatan fizikal dan spiritual di kalangan semua peringkat anggota ATM.
Kemudahan melanjutkan pengajian ke peringkat yang lebih tinggi melalui biasiswa skim pengajian tinggi dan pinjaman tanpa faedah tabung pengajian tinggi angkatan tentera diperluaskan. Kalau nak latihan komando yg lemah lembut, ambik modul komando singapore...rendam kepala dalam baldi..itupun dah tahap sadis dah tu....:'( Errr..off-topic
x tau plak aku Najib nie dah naik haji...abis Rosmah tu hajjah dah ke ekk? Hang tegur skit style rambut dia stand...cam singa:funk: :funk: Publisiti murahan....kalau nak bangkang pon, biarla bertempat....diaorg nak jadikan msia ni mcm Palestin kot...:shakehead3: