Malaysia weighs Boeing, Sukhoi bids for next fighter deal
C & P dari tempat lain..DATE:06/12/07
SOURCE:Flight International
Malaysia weighs Boeing, Sukhoi bids for next fighter deal
By Siva Govindasamy
Malaysia is expected to choose between a second batch of Sukhoi Su-30MKMs or Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornets for its next fighter purchase, with industry sources saying both types have their supporters within the nation's defence establishment.
The procurement process is unlikely to begin until the Malaysian government has called a general election, scheduled for 2009 but widely expected next year. A decision on new fighters must be made around the end of 2008 in order to secure funding during Kuala Lumpur's 2011-15 five-year plan, with deliveries expected from 2011.
Malaysia already has 18 Su-30MKMs on order, with six scheduled for delivery by year-end and the remainder to follow in 2008, ahead of its first squadron becoming combat-ready by early 2009. The type is considered favourite for the new fighter deal, with senior air force officers believed to be backing a follow-on order for another 18, which they say will allow the service to eventually operate a single fighter type, cut expenses and increase overall combat potential.
But some quarters are sceptical about the reliability of Russian equipment. Malaysia suffered problems with its earlier batch of 16 RSK MiG-29Ns, and Malaysian pilots involved in the Su-30MKM programme say additional work needs to be done to integrate French, German, Indian and Russian equipment with the new aircraft.
Industry sources say the Super Hornet is more popular in the defence ministry, as its cost is similar to the Su-30MKM, while Australia's recent order for 24 F/A-18Fs has boosted the type's export credibility. Boeing has not made a formal presentation to the Malaysian government, but will offer the Super Hornet if it moves forward with the project.
Kuala Lumpur's immediate procurement priorities are for new utility helicopters, airborne early warning and control and maritime patrol aircraft, so it could instead opt to upgrade its eight F/A-18Ds and MiG-29Ns, which have at least six years of life left without modification.
"Fighters are not an immediate requirement,"; says one industry official. "Malaysia must live up to its commitment to monitor the waters around it, especially the Malacca Straits." This need has taken on added urgency following recent AEW&C and MPA procurements by Singapore and Thailand, the source adds.
ATSC announced during the LIMA air show in Langkawi that it has renewed a contract to provide maintenance services for Malaysia's MiG-29s, and signed a new agreement to provide similar services for the Su-30MKM. Cobham also announced the receipt of an order to provide buddy-buddy refuelling systems for use by the latter type.
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2007/12/06/220117/malaysia-weighs-boeing-sukhoi-bids-for-next-fighter.html
Komen aku.. tak yah lah amik F/18 kang source code / software diaorang tak bagi.. last2 kapal terbang tu boleh tunjuk kat airshow aje..
Reply #1 dr_stein's post
Personally aku prefer kat US eq bcoz it reliability, tp yelah mcm yg kau ckpkan, mc2 syarat yg diorg bagi, tak blh tembak kawan dialah, tak supply peluru BVR lah, radar pun yg bkn standard USAFlah dan mcm2 lagi..... :LReply #2 matamata's post
tahu tak pe...angke SAM ni banyak songeh..apa2 pun dia tak kan bagi kita sama rata dgn anak angkat dia kat hujung tanah melayu tu...:lol: Bagi aku, choose F/A-18F la...tapi make sure the package is good. Jgn ada pulak radar tak dapat detect C-130 yg besar bagak tu. F/A-18 memang combat proven.. tapi bila memikirkan unker sam punya 'unpredictable foreign policy'.. susah oo..baik beli mig-35 aje.. ehheeReply #5 dr_stein's post
Susah tu bro... rasanya rusia pun blm pakai lagi fighter tuh...:o Ke patut kita tunggu F-35 aje...lambat lagi lah nak keluar....Reply #7 RainbowSix's post
Nak dptkan AMRAAM pun kita terpaksa ugut kongress depa, inikan plk nak beli JSF I would go with the F-18E/F if Uncle Sam gives us the same toys they are giving our southern neighbors.... but i guess i am just dreaming Originally posted by davidctw at 12-12-2007 10:25 PM http://forum3.cari.com.my/images/common/back.gifI would go with the F-18E/F if Uncle Sam gives us the same toys they are giving our southern neighbors.... but i guess i am just dreaming
Yup...agree... Jawapan adalah dgn melobi kedudukan utk negara kita di dalam Kongres depa. Lobi dlm kongres ni kena buat, mcm-mcm lah....faham ajelah.. F18 same price as Su30?
I guess Su30 was a political decision by Mahathir then.
I agree with the article that maritime patrol should be priority now. Settle this one and Nuri replacement quick and then talk about fighters when there is extra budget.
Reply #1 dr_stein's post
I prefer F/A-18F, baru mgancam n bole mnaikkan kreadibiliti RMAF, tp mmikirkan ape Uncle SAM nak buat, musti kena downgraded ke 70 to 80 percent... Tula hampes. Kalo nak gak, RMAF perlu tkn uncle SAM, at least bg Radar power, BVR missile n engine top class punyer... Kalo x, tmbh batch lg tok SU-30MKM jeala... Originally posted by yaminz at 13-12-2007 12:48 PM http://forum3.cari.com.my/images/common/back.gifI prefer F/A-18F, baru mgancam n bole mnaikkan kreadibiliti RMAF, tp mmikirkan ape Uncle SAM nak buat, musti kena downgraded ke 70 to 80 percent... Tula hampes. Kalo nak gak, RMAF perlu tkn uncle ...
mmmmm.... sapa yg kena tekan nanti karang kan??? 18 Su-30MKM
18 F/A-18F Super Hornet
Ini baru complete fasa pertama pemodenan.
Reply #5 dr_stein's post
This is bcoz the SU30 series wasnt given any chance to be 'combat-proven'...aku prefer more SU30MKMs..at least leh dapat weapons dan avionic package yang lebih baik..dan ruang lebih besar utk technical development bersama Ruskies SU 30 MKM RULES>........Complete package with excellent range and weaponaries.......
With AWACS later.........and the support from our MiGs ...........we have a complete team....
Just that...would be nicer...if our Air Defence systems can be upgraded further to include long range SAM, mid range SAM as well.
Reply #13 yaminz's post
But they should know they are competing with Sukhoi. I don't think they can downgrade stuff all that much. The news headline is good for telling them that if they insist on screwing us over, we'll go to less ambitious Russia.Competition benefits consumers.
[ Last edited byEokboy at 14-12-2007 11:14 AM ] abit strange, what i heard from MKM pilot at LIMA is that system onboard is fully functional, and may even conduct a test launch of MILAN aam next year. did you mean MICA?...MILAN is an anti tank weapon