SIMBOLISME DAN ART DALAM GAME,ANIME,FILEM 3D JEPUN
hmm..sebenarnya tak tahu nak tanya kat mana..rasanya baik tanya kat board ni,mungkin forumer kat sini lebih arif pasal simbol2 dan seni ni..saya betul2 nak tau dan harap ada forumer yg sudi tolong..ehm..saya nak tanya pasal satu game yg popular..Final Fantasy VII..saya sedang berusaha nak faham pasal cite dlm game ni..tu belum masuk pasal filem dia lagi..FFVII Advent Children(yg sebenarnya animax nak tayang bulan depan)..nak kata tak paham semua tu tak gak,tapi nak paham pasal cite cinta dlm ni..bayangkan,game ni release tahun 1997,sampai sekarang gamer2(nak2 gamer2 barat)dok berdebat pasal cinta tiga segi..kemuncaknya lebih terasa masa filemnya release..tahun 2005..
tak taula gamer2 malaysia ada ambik tau tak pasal ni..tapi saya biasa pegi forum2 barat,makin lama makin confuse..tak tau mana satu nak percaya..
kalau ada sape2 sudi dan boleh tolong jawab..saya akan post semuanya dari game sampai filem dia...kalau boleh nak letak video sekali..bolehla sape2 yg tau pasal symbolism dan film art tolong jawab..harap2 adala yg sudi nak jawab..
untuk permulaan..symbolism..
saya pelik bila ada beberapa anime yg guna banyak simbol masa kematian..contohnya,dlm NARUTO,ada tunjuk rama2 bila seseorang tu mati..dlm FLAME OF RECCA,ditunjuk plak bunga ros merah jadi hancur berkecai bila seorng gadis mati..
soalan saya..
-dlm FFVII,bila heroine mati(ditikam oleh penjahat betul2 depan mata hero),ribbon yg diikat kemas di rambut tiba2 terlerai(ikatan)..seterusnya dlm filem,rohnya beberapa kali kelihatan masih mempunyai ribbon tersebut terikat kemas di rambut(mcm masa sebelum mati)..ramai yg kata,ini menunjukkan ikatan cinta antara hero dan heroine mulanya telah dipaksa terpisah oleh takdir(dlm kes ni,kematian),namun mereka masih saling mencintai..saya nak tau,betulkah anggapan ni..
-dan apakata kalau pada waktu kematian heroine tu,si hero telah mengutip ribbon(secara fizikalnya) si heroine dan menyimpannya,adakah ini bermakna si hero betul2 mencintai si heroine,dan masih mencintainya,walaupun selepas si heroine mati(dlm filem,hanya hero seorang yg boleh bercakap dan menyentuh rohnya)
ada sape2 boleh bagi komen?
kalau boleh saya nak post lagi,nak tanya lagi,banyak sangat simbol yg tersirat dalam cite FFVII ni..sebab creator awal2 lagi dah bagitau,FFVII memang sengaja dicipta macam tu,semua jawapan bagi persoalan yg gamer fikir,sebenarnya dah ada depan mata,perlu fikir dgn lebih mendalam,camtu la lebih kurang si creator game ni cakap..
tolong..sape2..
[ Last edited byblossomppg at 30-5-2007 01:35 AM ] Originally posted by blossomppg at 15-5-2007 02:28 AM
hmm..sebenarnya tak tahu nak tanya kat mana..rasanya baik tanya kat board ni,mungkin forumer kat sini lebih arif pasal simbol2 dan seni ni..:) ..saya betul2 nak tau dan harap ada forumer yg sudi...
Simbolisme terdapat dalam semua bidang kehidupan kita dan terpulanglah kepada seseorang itu menafsirnya berdasarkan ilmu yang ia miliki. Ia boleh dikaitkan dengan agama,falsafah,budaya dsbnya.
Pertanyaan anda ini sesuatu yang sukar untuk dijawab kerana ia hanya berkaitan dengan game yang tafsirannya hanya dimiliki oleh orang yang menciptanya. Apa yang boleh anda lakukan ialah meneliti jalan permainannya dan melihat watak2 yang bertentangan seperti jahat lawan baik. Kemudian cuba hayati bentuk2 yang terdapat dalam visual tersebut dan kaitkan dengan jalan permainannya.
Anda juga boleh meneliti dari penggunaan warna dan bentuk yang banyak dikaitkan dengan simbolisme.
ok,time kasih gravedigger..:tq:
hmm..memang susah gak nampaknya:hmm:
tapi,gravedigger..kalau saya postkan kat sini video filem tu dari youtube,boleh tolong tengok dan analisis?
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Reply #3 blossomppg's post
bila nak post?:o Hmm...suatu yang amat subjek menarik - kebetulan I peminat setia anime dan games. Oppss..typo eror - subjek yang amat menarik hehehe....:lol: Tercari2 gak,ada tak orang akan cakap pasal game ni,ingatkan takdek..nampak macam takdek orang nakcakap pasal game ni pun dalam forum ni..nasib baikla ada gak kat sini..Kalau Blossom nak tahu pasal cinta dalam FFVII ni secara spesifik,saya cadangkan pegi kat link kat sini..bagus,banyak betul cite pasal simbolisme & budaya dalam ni..
http://www.geocities.com/ffviilovetriangle/Introduction.htm
http://www.geocities.com/ffviilovetriangle/Behavior.htm
http://www.geocities.com/ffviilovetriangle/Love.htm
http://www.geocities.com/ffviilovetriangle/Ending.htm
Kalau nak tahu lebih lanjut..
http://www.geocities.com/ffviidestiny/Menu.htm
Dalam anime lain ada perasan simbolisme2 tentang benda yg sama tapi dengan cara yg sikit berbeza..
Menarik,sebab saya memang minat bab ni..:bgrin:
Reply #1 blossomppg's post salam
Dulu I ada buat assignment ttg tajuk simbolism dlm character kartun2... I sentuh ttg kartun Japan n kartun Barat... Tak berapa ingat... nanti kalo recall semula.... I kasi respon lagi Time kasih semua bg respon positif.. Fleursza, camana, dah ingat ke?:)Wah, lamanya tinggal forum ni, sorryla tingal topik ni terbiar macam tu jek... Masih ada yg berminat nak ulas filem ni? Mintak2la ada.. Lama dah cari nih..
OK, sebelum tu, rasanya baik blossom post timeline cite FFVII ni keseluruhannya sebelum cite dalam sequelnya, filem Advent Children(AC) berlaku..
Karakter utama: http://www.ffextreme.com/ff7/characters.html
The Complete Timeline of the entire Compilation of Final Fantasy VII
Approximately 2000 years before FFVII
・ Jenova crashes into the planet riding a meteor. This location becomesknown as the Great Northern Crater. The Cetra gather at this locationto heal the planet and are confronted by Jenova. Jenova nearly wipesout the entire Cetra race before it is defeated and sealed in ageological stratum.
Approximately 50 years before FFVII
・ Vincent Valentine is born
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・ Red XIII is born in Cosmo Canyon
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・ The Wutai War ends.
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・ The Wutai-based anti-Shinra organization, AVALANCHE, intensifies itsterrorist activities. Receiving a request to mobilize from PresidentShinra, Sephiroth eliminates the members of AVALANCHE who had seizedthe Mako Cannon in Junon. He crosses swords with Elfe, the enemy leader.
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April
・ Zack is promoted to SOLDIER 1st Class. On the same day, Genesis invades Midgar with his copy army.
・ Cissnei of the Turks undertakes a top secret assignment to keep Zack under surveillance.
・ Zack and Aerith meet by chance in a church in the Slums. They become intimate with each other.
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・ Cloud Strife is assigned to protect Professor Rayleigh and workstogether with the Turks. In a raid by AVALANCHE, secret data on SOLDIERwas stolen.
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・ Zack goes on an investigative mission to the abandoned Mako MiningFacility in Modeoheim, where he meets Cloud. The two become friends.
・ After fighting Genesis and Angeal, Zack inherits the Buster Sword.
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・ A SOLDIER force including Zack is dispatched to destroy an AVALANCHEbase in Icicle Lodge. Zack attends to his fellow SOLDIER comrades,Sebastian and Yishay, as their death approached. With the exception ofZack and the Turks, every member of the unit is annihilated.
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Early Summer
・ Zack is ordered on a vacation to Costa del Sol.
・ Junon and several other places are repeatedly troubled by an outbreakof synchronized attacks from the Genesis Copy Army. Zack fights in thebattle to protect the city, and is reunited with Cloud, who had beentasked to rescue the citizens.
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・ Hojo is kidnapped from the Shinra Building by AVALANCHE. In a singlestroke Sephiroth cuts down the helicopter stolen by the old AVALANCHEfrom the Shinra Building, and brought back Hojo who was almost takenaway by them.
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・ Zack, Sephiroth, and Cloud visit the Nibel mako reactor as part of aninvestigation team, due to a monster outbreak causing a malfunction.Tifa Lockhart undertakes the role of "guide" for the investigationgroup. Seeing the monsters that were created inside the mako reactorcaused Sephiroth to doubt his own birth and humanity.
・ Sephiroth locks himself up in the Shinra Manor and reads over thedocuments left by Professor Gast, where he discovers that he wascreated by the Jenova Project.
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・ The Nibelheim Incident begins. Zack Fair tries to stop Sephiroth, whohas run amok and reduced the village of Nibelheim to ashes, but wasinstead defeated by him at the Nibelheim Mako Reactor. Sephiroth takesthe head of his 搈other
・Cloud and the reformed AVALANCHE bombMako Reactor 1. On his return to Sector 7, Cloud meets Aerith for thefirst time in Sector 8.
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・ The Sector 7 plate is destroyed by Shinra in efforts to crush the newAVALANCHE. The plate drops, destroying the Sector 7 slums. Many livesare lost. Aerith is kidnapped by Shinra and taken to the ShinraBuilding.
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・ Cloud and the others are captured attempting to rescue Aerith from the Shinra Building.
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・ Sephiroth in the Northern Crater calls for the "Reunion" to Jenova inthe Shinra Building, and the Sephiroth Copies around the world begin tomove as well.
・ Upon heeding the call of the Reunion, the headless form of Jenovacontained in the Shinra Building awakened. It took the form ofSephiroth, murdered President Shinra, and left the city. Cloud and theothers escape Midgar in the confusion and pursue Sephiroth. Rufus ismade President of the Shinra Company.
・ Red XIII met Cloud's party at Hojo's laboratory and escaped from theShinra Building with them. He planned to travel with them until theyreached his hometown of Cosmo Canyon. Red XIII later fulfills hispromise to return to his hometown in the midst of the journey withCloud. Here he learns the truth concerning his father, and his resolveto continue the journey is strengthened.
・ Yuffie joins Cloud's party, with an eye on the group's materia.
・ The body of Jenova kills numerous Shinra troops in Junon, andinfiltrates the Cargo Ship from the harbor. It confronted Cloud抯 teamin the ship抯 hold, and after transforming its arm into Jenova BIRTH,it attacked.
・ Barret is reunited with Dyne, who was once his close friend.Defeating Dyne at the end of their unwanted duel, he was entrusted withMarlene once more.
・ When Cloud and company visit the Shinra Manor and catch Vincent up onthe current affairs, he chose to join the group to meet up with Hojoand Sephiroth.
・ While staying in the town doing nothing as he waited for the spaceprogram to restart, Cid encountered Cloud's group who opposed Shinra,and joined them.
・ Snatching the Materia off Cloud's party and fleeing, Yuffie is caughtby Don Corneo. She reconciled with Cloud's group after they had savedher. Yuffie takes part in the trial at the Pagoda of the 5 MightySaints, and defeats her father on the topmost floor. After getting himto listen to her true intentions, Yuffie sets off with reneweddetermination on her journey with Cloud's party.
・ Jenova Infiltrates the Temple of the Ancients after Tseng opened thedoor. Attacks Tseng and manipulates Cloud to obtain the Black Materia.
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・ Aerith sends her prayer for Holy to the Planet at theForgottenCapital, and immediately afterwards loses her life at thehands ofJenova in the form of Sephiroth.
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・ Cloud attempts to settle things with Sephiroth at the NorthernCrater, but upon listening to his speech, Cloud's self-image collapsed.Entrusted with the black materia from Cloud, Red XIII was tricked byJenova who had mimicked Tifa. Red XIII hands over the Black Materia toCloud, who in turn hands over the Black Materia to Sephiroth. Sephirothreceives the Black Materia by manipulating Cloud as a Sephiroth Copy,and summons Meteor. The WEAPONs are awakened and begin to attack humansettlements. Cloud falls into the Lifestream and goes missing. TheMeteor Crisis begins.
・ Barret and Tifa were to undergo execution as criminals who hadsummoned Meteor, but they manage to escape through the guidance of CaitSith, Yuffie and the others.
・ With the assistance of the crew, Cid takes back the Highwind, Shinra's airship, which he had once owned.
・ Tifa is reunited with Cloud in Mideel, who had been poisoned by mako.She separates from her companions in order to nurse him. FollowingCloud and Tifa leaving the team, Cid takes over as the acting leader inthe fight for the Huge Materia.
・ Tifa falls into the Lifestream with Cloud. She finds out about thetruth of 5 years ago in Cloud's spirit world and helps him regain histrue self.
・ Red XIII visits Cosmo Canyon prior to the final decisive battle, andhe attends to Bugenhagen as he was dying. Bugenhagen dies.
・ Vincent confronts his fated opponent, Hojo, on the Mako Cannon in Midgar. He angrily issued a death threat to Hojo.
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・ Withhis body now completely restored, Sephiroth tries to finalizeMeteor抯summoning. However, Cloud and the others prevent Sephiroth'sambitionsand defeat him in the Northern Cave, and save the planet fromMeteor.Sephiroth is absorbed into the Lifestream but his consciousnessdoes notdiffuse, and he continues to harbor hostility towards theplanet.Geostigma begins.
(Tangan yg Cloud cuba capai mula2 tu ialah tangan Aeris)
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・ After defeating Sephiroth in the NortherCave with Cloud and theothers, Vincent and Yuffie work together toevacuate people duringMeteorfall. During this, although Vincent thoughthe caught a flickerof life in Hojo, he lost sight of him.
・ After traveling to several places with Cloud and Barret, Tifa opens the bar Seventh HeaveninEdge on the advice of those around her. She was given custody ofMarlenefrom Barret, who had left on a journey to find a new energysource.Together with Cloud, the 3 of them began living together as afamily.
・ While searching for provisions for the bar Seventh Heaven, more and more people begin to ask Cloud to make deliveries for them, so Cloud sets up the Strife Delivery Service.
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・ Cloud brings Denzel back from the slum's church and Denzel joins Cloud's family.
・ Because he contracted Geostigma, Cloud left Tifa and the children, and began living in the Slum church.
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・ Running up the rocky mountains accompanied by his children, Red XIII watches over the Midgar covered by greenery.
[ Last edited byblossomppg at 15-3-2008 05:22 PM ] OK, sekarang, movienya, Advent Children..
Perkara paling penting, yg directornya dah bgtau awal2:
1) Air adalah simbol bagi Aeris/Aerith dalam movie ini.
2) Wolf adalah simbol bagi perasaan guilty Cloud(terhadap kejadian kematian orang2 yg penting kepadanya)
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Cabaran:
1)Dapatkah forumer semua menganalisis simbol2 dalam movie ini? Saya sangat2 mintak tolong dengan semua supaya dapat menganalisisnya, semua sekali termasuk dr segi art film..
2) Dapatkah forumer semua mencari cinta di dalam CGI action movie ini?
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Reply #13 blossomppg's post
:eek: :eek: :eek:mak aii...i tot symbolism dlm anime byk dari german (sbb penjajahan etc..etc) so ada siket dari philosopher german dlm symbolism.
rupanya panjang lagi! nanti singgah lah abeskan pembacaan.
good article! :pompom: :pompom: :pompom: Time kasih, redsinner!:loveliness:
Tapi ingatkan apa yg saya post tu melampau, sbb banyak sgt, heheh.. Time kasih sekali lagi sbb sudi baca:$
Kalau ada yg tak paham, tanya je..
Cite FFVII ni panjang dan complicated sgt, tak lengkap lagi apa yg saya post tu sebenarnya, jadi saya pahamla kalau ada yg org lain tak paham.. Camnepun, itulah point2 paling penting dalam game tu.. Tapi kalau ada sapa2 yg nak clip lagi, bgtau k..
Marilah forumer semua, kita sama2 bincang pasal filem ni.:D
(nak2 film student/sape2 yg tau pasal filem) La.. Kat sini rupanya ko letak topik ni.. Puas aku cari.. Tak salah board ke ni?:o
Apa plak melampaunye blossom.. OK la tuh.. Tu pun dah pendek.. In-game videos tu PC version, ek? Yang PS1 takdek ke?
Nak gak tolong tambah sikit2 :D..
~ Dalam FFVII the main game, ada beberapa mini game utk hiburan je, yg paling utama 'date mechanism'.. Yang menyaksikan siapa yang akan date dengan Cloud kat Gold Saucer, 4orang yg terlibat:Aeris/th, Tifa, Yuffie dan Barret;P..
Ia bergantung kepada pilihan yg kita buat sewaktu certain dialog. Memandangkan date dgn Aeris/th ialah default(lebih fit dgn story line), jadi..
Contoh:When Aeris asks if Tifa is your girlfriend:
"No way!" (+1 Aeris)
"Yeah, that's right" (-5 Aeris) - So, sepatutnya kena pilih "No way!".. Pilihan lain sekadar utk suka2..
Perkara paling penting, yg directornya dah bgtau awal2:
1) Air adalah simbol bagi Aeris/Aerith dalam movie ini. Kazushige Nojima(AC's scenario writer), Reunion Files:
"There's some foreshadowing that the church is where Aerith is going to appear,"says Nojima. "There's a point in the plot where Cloud and Tifa are lying unconscious on the flowers here and their wounds are healed. Also, Aerith has asort of 'watery' image about her, so we used water to convey herpresence."
Cabaran:
1)Dapatkah forumer semua menganalisis simbol2 dalam movie ini? Sayasangat2 mintak tolong dengan semua supaya dapat menganalisisnya, semuasekali termasuk dr segi art film..2) Dapatkah forumer semua mencari cinta di dalam CGI action movie ini? Aku ada tulis essay bincang pasal 1 adegan dalam AC, tapi nak tunggu pakar polish-kan dulu..:)(adala orangnye)
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