barney50 Publish time 31-5-2006 07:32 PM

BY NATURE HINDUS LOVE PEACE

By nature Hindus are peace loving people. Left to themselves they would not like to harm any one, even the ants and insects. Long before the west became conscious of the eco balance, the Hindus were aware of the importance of inherent balance in the nature of things and the need to protect to plants and animals from senseless killing.

Hindus are capable of extreme patience in the face of oppression. The history of India speaks volumes about this. Individually, a Hindu would like to live in harmony with his environment and would prefer to avoid killing. He is not comfortable with the idea of using violence because he is aware of its harmful consequences. Sometimes the haters of Hindus consider this as cowardice, where as it is not.

There is a lot of violence in present day Indian society, which is rather an unfortunate development and an exceptional situation. It is an acquired behavior learned from other communities thanks to TV, newspapers and films Hindus should learn to be strong not violent. Violence is the trait of the weak and timid. It is the unstable and weak minds who resorts to violence.

Sephiroth Publish time 1-6-2006 08:09 AM

Hmph ... finally, a post I can agree with you. ;)

Sometimes the haters of Hindus consider this as cowardice, where as it is not.

It was Mahatma Gandhi who wants said, it takes more bravery to take up peace than it takes to take up violence (not in exact words).

There is a lot of violence in present day Indian society, which is rather an unfortunate development and an exceptional situation.

Caste-consciousness is among such reason on why there is so many violence in Indian society (especially in India). Take this for example :

Source : http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060530/ap_on_re_as/india_affirmative_action

Doctors WILLING to leave dying patients JUST because they are Caste-Conscious. They back out on their oath and sacred duty to save lives ALL because they do not want poor and so-called "lower castes" be given opportunity to strive.

In my opinion, a Doctor who refuses to save life IS commiting murder intentionally and that is Act of Violence also.

fleurzsa Publish time 5-6-2006 09:32 AM

g day

By nature all religions love peace then..

Sephiroth Publish time 5-6-2006 09:59 AM

by fleurzsa   

By nature all religions love peace then..

Disagree. Religion has nothing to do whether a person is peaceful or violent. It has everything to do with the way a person had brought up.

A religion can be interpreted in a good way or bad. If a follower interpreted it by a bad way and REFUSED to acknowledge his mistake, then that person should be eliminated to save the religion.

However, if a whole group of people refuse to acknowledge their own mistake, then it is possible for others )peaceful people) to take action eliminating that religion itself.

Remember, God has nothing to do with Religion. Religion is Man-made - customs, culture and a way of Life. Changing the way we life will not change God. :no:

fleurzsa Publish time 5-6-2006 10:08 AM

Originally posted by Sephiroth at 5-6-2006 09:59 AM
by fleurzsa   

By nature all religions love peace then..

Disagree. Religion has nothing to do whether a person is peaceful or violent. It has everything to do with the way a person had brou ...

Hindu is a religion...isnt it?

Sephiroth Publish time 5-6-2006 10:25 AM

by fleurzsa   

Hindu is a religion...isnt it?

It is a Way of Living - a pre-set rules and regulations which the society accepted and follow. Same as Buddhism and even Judaism (where Moses were given the Laws for the Jews to follow). Goal of Spiritualism IS SELF-DISPLINE, NOT AVOIDING SINS AND REACHING HEAVEN, like preached by some believers and some religion. :no:

But problem arises when there are a few who changes this pre-set Laws and Regulations to fit their own agenda. Caste problems is one such problem. :hmm:

fleurzsa Publish time 5-6-2006 10:39 AM

Originally posted by Sephiroth at 5-6-2006 10:25 AM
by fleurzsa   
Hindu is a religion...isnt it?
It is a Way of Living - a pre-set rules and regulations which the society accepted and follow. Same as Buddhism and even Judaism (where Moses w ...

Noted.

So by nature all humans love peace.

Sephiroth Publish time 5-6-2006 10:59 AM

by fleurzsa   

Noted.
So by nature all humans love peace.

Correct. And Religion is accordance to Environment and Living condition of a specify group/Ethnic society.

For example, meat eating (like beef) could be against Hindusm, but Hindus cannot force such belief onto Muslims because their beliefs come from desert region where vegetation is scarce and meat is one form of food supply.

By understanding this pre-set rules of others, a basic level of mutual understanding and cooperations will exist by itself, thus knitting together a multi-racial society in the World where everyone can full-fill their basic Nature - Peaceful Co-existence.

Everything is in a Circle - Peace and Violence. Depends on individuals which circle they want to be in. :hmm:

fleurzsa Publish time 16-6-2006 01:07 PM

What Hinduism say about peace?

What Hinduism suggest...

Sephiroth Publish time 16-6-2006 03:20 PM

by fleurzsa   

What Hinduism say about peace?

What Hinduism suggest...

Not sure what Hindusm says about peace but I know this much from my understanding of Hindusm (which means it is my personal view).

Peace is necessary in order to have proper realization in Spiritualism. You in peace, I'm in peace, everyone in peace and we can all develop Spiritualism in peace in our own ways. That is why Peace is important.

However, it did not state anywhere that a person should remain peaceful with himself when he could see Adharmic action (unrighteous action) is happening in front of his eyes. That is not Spiritualism but being Self-Centred.

And even fighting, there is more than one way to fight. Violence alone is not a way to fight, and usually last resort when all other options had been exhausted. And finally, IF you are FORCED to fight, FIGHT TO WIN or don't bother fighting at all. :no:

WHY? Because if you fight and lose, it is others who will suffer in the end for your actions.

Truth.8 Publish time 23-6-2006 02:20 PM

Originally posted by barney50 at 31-5-2006 07:32 PM
By nature Hindus are peace loving people. Left to themselves they would not like to harm any one, even the ants and insects. Long before the west became conscious of the eco balance, the Hindus wer ...

hindus peace loving peoples??

i hve seen many hindus indians :
frickle minded
twistign tounge
never keep promise even they swear using "satiyam"

majority used vulgar words like 'pundek' and etc
most hindus indian are kaki bottle/or todi
wife beater

and etc.

dont forget indian movies also have so much obscene scene, rowdy acts, gangster and violent acts. so, hindus are peace loving peoples???

[ Last edited byTruth.8 at 23-6-2006 02:21 PM ]

Truth.8 Publish time 26-6-2006 02:36 PM

I do supply entertainment shows package to Indian weddings. Sad to says, some behave so strange like shouting , dancing until loosing mind and it seems nowadays Indian females dressing getting out of hands compare before like in earlier 1940抯 but now hindu Indians talk very rough and etc.

Even in pub Indians get drank and always end in abusivelanguage. So mind telling us how Indian are peace loving peoples.

Frankly speaking, I hve seen Christians get drank but they behave OK compare to Indians when they goes out of hands. Even the malays seems OK if they drank not so much violent or used abusive language . Only weakness the malays has, perempuan ,pelacur and etc for sexual pleasure after they drank but seldom I seem malay involved in flight if they are drank.

May be by nature Indian are peace loving peoples before in earlier 1930抯 or 40抯 not now. Compare to indian womens those days are well dress up and more decent even in speech.

[ Last edited byTruth.8 at 26-6-2006 05:02 PM ]

Sephiroth Publish time 26-6-2006 04:31 PM

Crawl back to your hole and Lie there lah, T.8. Talk so much. ;)

WHO gives a damn on what you ALLEGATEDLY have seen or heard? It's already proven that you are a Liar, making stories as you go and if someone bothers to entertain you. Go and preach to your own society.

Society which :

1. Talks about evilness of Polygamy BUT does nothing about the Single-bars where guys can pick girls up.
2. Talks about Rights of Children and such BUT does nothing about the Abortion clinics.
3. Talks about Equality of the Women and such BUT does nothing about the pornograph materials produced every years.
4. Talks about God and stuff BUT pray to a naked man who was killed by his own followers (Romans) who made him their god to use to conquer others.

Sephiroth Publish time 26-6-2006 04:33 PM

Crawl back to your hole and Lie there lah, T.8. Talk so much. ;)

WHO gives a damn on what you ALLEGATEDLY have seen or heard? It's already proven that you are a Liar, making stories as you go and if someone bothers to entertain you. Go and preach to your own society.

Society which :

1. Talks about evilness of Polygamy BUT does nothing about the Single-bars where guys can pick girls up.
2. Talks about Rights of Children and such BUT does nothing about the Abortion clinics.
3. Talks about Equality of the Women and such BUT does nothing about the pornograph materials produced every years.
4. Talks about God and stuff BUT pray to a naked man who was killed by his own followers (Romans) who made him their god to use to conquer others.

Truth.8 Publish time 26-6-2006 04:59 PM

Originally posted by Sephiroth at 26-6-2006 04:31 PM
Crawl back to your hole and Lie there lah, T.8. Talk so much. ;)

WHO gives a damn on what you ALLEGATEDLY have seen or heard? It's already proven that you are a Liar, making stories as you go an ...


There we go again, rough talk by hindus fella. So I was right.i used to supply entertainment or music machine for indian weddings. normally at bandaraya hall at cheras or nearbystadium bolasepak cheras. theyhave a hall over there, why not u sneak one of this day and see urself the behaviour. normally Saturdaynite is always has wedding function.

seeing is believing.

bye

Mr.Forensics Publish time 27-6-2006 01:13 AM

naturally hindus love peace.
unnaturally __________________________.
knp mesti ada perkataan by nature kat depan tajuk thread ni.
ia jadi cam kekeliruan psikosemantik bahasa.
kenapa tak tulis HINDUS LOVE PEACE jee.

Sephiroth Publish time 27-6-2006 08:35 AM

by Mr.Forensics   

naturally hindus love peace.
unnaturally __________________________.
knp mesti ada perkataan by nature kat depan tajuk thread ni.
ia jadi cam kekeliruan psikosemantik bahasa.
kenapa tak tulis HINDUS LOVE PEACE jee.

No one loves peace, Baaka. ;)

Peace is just one condition which is acceptable to all in order to obtain Spiritualism easily. It does NOT means that everyone have to be tolerance toward godless people.

And intolerance toward godlesspeople DOES NOT means you are not peaceful. :no:

Remember what many of the Sages in Hindusm and even Gautama Buddha stated :- Tolerance toward Injustice is Injustice itself.

Atomic_Omnikid Publish time 27-6-2006 09:18 PM

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 26-6-2006 16:59



There we go again, rough talk by hindus fella. So I was right.i used to supply entertainment or music machine for indian weddings. normally at bandaraya hall at cheras or nearbystadium bola ...



Seeing is believing....thats one lame words to say,even your senses can fool you......

Obersliutenant Publish time 16-9-2006 12:44 AM

coud you elaborate more on the Hindu belief of balance in all things , does it bear resemblance to earth based beliefs such as Native American religions..

example here are some quotes

"Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children."

Ancient Indian Proverb


Black Elk Oglala Sioux Holy Man
1863-1950

You have noticed that everything as Indian does is in a circle, and that is because the Power of the World always works in circles, and everything tries to be round..... The Sky is round, and I have heard that the earth is round like a ball, and so are all the stars. The wind, in its greatest power, whirls. Birds make their nest in circles, for theirs is the same religion as ours....
Even the seasons form a great circle in their changing, and always come back again to where they were. The life of a man is a circle from childhood to childhood, and so it is in everything where power moves.

Shooter Teton Sioux
All birds, even those of the same species, are not alike, and it is the same with animals and with human beings. The reason WakanTanka does not make two birds, or animals, or human beings exactly alike is because each is placed here by WakanTanka to be an independent individuality and to rely upon itself.

Sephiroth Publish time 18-9-2006 08:36 AM

by Obersliutenant   

coud you elaborate more on the Hindu belief of balance in all things , does it bear resemblance to earth based beliefs such as Native American religions..

example here are some quotes

"Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children."

Ancient Indian Proverb

Not only Native Americans and Indians, most of the Ancient People (except maybe Egyptians) have believed that everything goes in circle. Their belief is not about going to Heaven and shake your legs here, it is more toward cultivating the World and being in Balance in everything.

Studying history, I have noticed that Mankind in the beginning started off collecting and hunting for food. But some of their methods are very destructive and said to be responsible for 40% of destruction of fauna and flora between 100,000 to 40,000 years ago (when they started to settle down in Asia and Australia).

Maybe our Ancestors begins to relies their mistake of performing mass destruction and begins to think carefully what they need to do in order to ensure the survival of their generation. Instead of travelling, hunting and gathering food, they have settled down on the banks of rivers and begins to form farming community.

Some advance societies like the Egyptians, Mayans, Indians and Chinese begins to cultivate the land properly and in order to do that, they need to better understand nature. So they studied the cycle of nature and found that the World revolves around Seasons in a prefect cycle. Spring bring new beginning, Summer brings growth, Autumn brings harvesting and winter brings death and destruction which fuels Spring using "matters harvested" of the pervious years.

So, in the same way, most human civilisation believes that human beings are similar - Birth, Life and Death, only to be reborn once again in a perfect cycle. This belief become basic for religion and Culture/Heritage which is rich in Asian society.
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