fleurzsa Publish time 28-5-2006 04:53 PM

Seni Propaganda VS Amir Muhammad

Salam

Tercetus idea utk menulis apabila I terbaca kemelut Lelaki Komunis Terakhir, Amir Mohamad.

Penggunaan cabang seni sbg propaganda telah menjadi senjata tertua dlm sejarah tamadun manusia.Sememangnya seni boleh memanipulasi suasana bagi mencapai sesuatu matlamat.

Propaganda Barat yg paling ketara adalah filem2 Rambo di mana mereka cuba menerapkan kpd dunia secara halus bhw mereka adalah icon hero dunia. Sedangkan kita sedar bhw Amerika kalah teruk di Vietnam.

Begitu juga penggunaan flyer dlm Perang Dunia II. Risalah2 di turunkan dr kapal terbang utk dibaca oleh rakyat.

Apa yg I hendak highlightkan di sini adalah pembikin2 filem spt Amir harus juga peka kpd kemungkinan2 bhw apa shj yg cuba diketengahkan dlm dokumentari atau filem boleh menerapkan nilai2 kurang sihat samada disengajakan atau tidak.

Ada komen lain?

[ Last edited byfleurzsa at 11-6-2006 09:43 PM ]

usagiKecik Publish time 29-5-2006 11:45 AM

menerapkan nilai2 kurang sihat cmne tu...

fleurzsa Publish time 30-5-2006 12:41 PM

Originally posted by usagiKecik at 29-5-2006 11:45 AM
menerapkan nilai2 kurang sihat cmne tu...

Semalam dah replied pjg lebar... blackout pulak...

Adalah tidak adil sekiranya I menyentuh ttg dokumentasi Amir tersebut krn I belum menontonnya.

Apa yg I tahu...

Seni boleh digunakan utk memanipulasi suasana bg mencapai sesuatu matlamat.

Seni propaganda adalah alat tertua yg tlh digunakan oleh tamadun manusia.Contohnya,

Barat menggunakan filem Rambo sbg bhw mereka adalah hero dunia walhal Amerika kalah teruk dlm peperangan dgn Vietnam.

Dlm Perang Dunia II... risalah2 berbentuk lakaran diturunkan drp kapal terbang utk memburuk2kan pihak musuh..

Nanti sambung ek....

pessoa Publish time 31-5-2006 05:10 PM

Tulisan-tulisan Faisal Tehrani sejak dari Novel 1511 sangat berat dari segi propagandanya sampai terbabas langsung semua tuntutan estetikanya (kalau dia pernah miliki naluri estetika pun sebelum ni).

Masalah propaganda jika ia dalam bentuk cerita ialah ia cuba membuktikan apa yang ia tak mampu buktikan; contohnya dengan menulis tentang Barat yang jahat dan memaparkan watak-watak Barat yang jahat, sesungguhnya tak membuktikan apa-apa kerana segalanya berlaku dalam lingkung akal/imaginasi si penulis sahaja. Segala yang ditulis jadi artifisial kerana menjadi abdi kepadahukum-hukum propaganda si penulis, akibatnya seninya jadi kaku dan sumbang.

Leboh hodoh lagi apabila penulis memperalatkan agama sebagai bantuan kepada hipotesis songsangnya; seolah-olah agama membenarkan apa yang cuba dia buktikan dan bukan sekadar interpretasi sempitnya sahaja.

Akhirnya penulis jadi mangsa delusi sendiri dan reputasinya sebagai pengamal yang objektif rusak binasa.

fleurzsa Publish time 31-5-2006 05:28 PM

Originally posted by pessoa at 31-5-2006 05:10 PM
Tulisan-tulisan Faisal Tehrani sejak dari Novel 1511 sangat berat dari segi propagandanya sampai terbabas langsung semua tuntutan estetikanya (kalau dia pernah miliki naluri estetika pun sebelum ni ...

Pendekatan buku dan pendekatan filem adalah jauh berbeza.

Kita memang dah tau rakyat Malaysia adalah kurang membaca... terutama buku2 yg berbentuk info dan ilmiah.So, sekiranya sesuatu buku tersebut berbentuk propaganda kebanyakan adalah dibaca oleh org2 yg membeli, mahu dan suka berfikir.

Sedangkan seni hiburan spt filem memang digemari oleh rakyat Malaysia terutama bangsa Melayu.

Bercakap ttg Lelaki Komunis Terakhir...

Apabila penonton melihat dokumentasi tersebut.... segala info akan dicerna dgn intelek atau pemikiran.Sekiranya mereka tiada mempunyai pengalaman, info tersebut tidak boleh dicerna dgn baik.

Masalah boleh berlaku terhdp pemuda pemudi yg tidak pernah tau apa2 ttg sejarah komunis di Malaya.Nilai2 yg tidak baik akan boleh memanupulasi mereka.

pessoa Publish time 31-5-2006 05:37 PM

Kedua-dua buku dan filem adalah medium bercerita.Jadi ia boleh secara universal di kritik dari sisi itu.

Untuk mengkritik LKT secara serius adalah kerja yang sia-sia kerana tak siapa di sini melihatnya.

fleurzsa Publish time 31-5-2006 05:56 PM

Originally posted by pessoa at 31-5-2006 05:37 PM
Kedua-dua buku dan filem adalah medium bercerita.Jadi ia boleh secara universal di kritik dari sisi itu.

Untuk mengkritik LKT secara serius adalah kerja yang sia-sia kerana tak siapa di sini...

Thread ini adalah pendedahan I ttg seni propaganda.I tak rasa ramai yg tahu frasa Seni Propaganda ini.

I rasa ramai yg tahu geng2Indi filem punya matlamat/ agenda tersendiri apabila berkarya.Begitu juga Faisal Tehrani.

But still.... buku & filem adalah approach yg berbeza...

pessoa Publish time 31-5-2006 06:00 PM

Pendedahan?

Wow!

Macam Edisi Siasat.

Tapi cuba jawab soalan ni: buku dan filem, dua-dua medium bercerita, YA atau TIDAK?

Jadi in lieu of anything concrete, macam contohnya satu benda seni yang boleh di kritik, kita hanya boleh kritik yang universal sahaja.

Jadi kenapa tidak, Cik Fluerza sendiri ambil inisiatif, if you are so inclined, to introduce a piece of art in which we can dissect and review (as well as criticize) the, for lack of better words, epistemology of propaganda.

Boleh?

fleurzsa Publish time 31-5-2006 06:23 PM

Originally posted by pessoa at 31-5-2006 06:00 PM
Pendedahan?
Wow!
Macam Edisi Siasat.
Tapi cuba jawab soalan ni: buku dan filem, dua-dua medium bercerita, YA atau TIDAK?
Jadi in lieu of anything concrete, macam contohnya satu benda se ...

He he he he... entah la.. sekarang ni I suka pula mewujudkan idea2 baru atau idea2 lama yg tersimpan.

Yup medium bercerita.

N filem lebih berkuasa dr buku krn ia dpt dihayati oleh lebih pancaindera.

Dulu ada satu contoh kat Art addict...tapi pic dah expired... nanti I cari yg lain..

fleurzsa Publish time 5-6-2006 09:28 AM

Contoh seni propaganda

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y21/fleurzsa/scan0025.jpg

fleurzsa Publish time 5-6-2006 09:29 AM

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y21/fleurzsa/scan0026.jpg

davidngui Publish time 8-6-2006 03:57 PM

Do you really understand what is Propaganda Film? Could you please spend some time reading the history of cinema and see where did this phrase started and how it was interpreted. I'm not an Amir fan but I don't think he is up there by making propaganda film. Just because the Malaysian acceptance of alternative cinema is poor, you can't throw everything this film stands for. I don't want to get into further debate but don't make commnets about things that you have yet have the knowledge to do so.

Greenbottle3 Publish time 8-6-2006 09:58 PM

saya tak kenal benar dengan amir tapi saya dah tengok tiga karya dlm bentuk filem dari nya...lips to lips, six shorts dan the big durian... dari estetika saya yng meminati filem2 coen brothers, quentin tarantino , david lynch , sesetengah filemzhang yimou - filem2 awal dia-saya fikir filem2 amir ini semua nya mengarut dan tak ada kualiti...satu review dalam NST tak lama dulu ada mengatakan 'filem LKT ini tidak se-baik filem2 nya yg terdahulu... kalau filem2 nya yg terdahulu tu dah mangarut saya tak fikir LKT pun filem yang layak di tonton secara serius...

walau pun filem boleh membuat kita berfikir dan mencetus polemik yang berguna, pada asas nya filem (dan buku2 fiksyen)hanya lah untuk hiburan...seseorang ada lah bodoh kalau mahu gunakan filem atau fiksyen sebagai panduan hidup nya..

saya tak kisah kalau filem itu propaganda atau apa...asalkan filem itu mempunyai kualiti yang tinggi saya akan tengok....tapi saya fikir merugikan masa saja menyibuk pasal filem LKT...

ini komen saya dalam blog saya pasal filem amir...lihat friday may 19 post

http://www.booked1.blogspot.com/

fleurzsa Publish time 9-6-2006 12:22 PM

Originally posted by davidngui at 8-6-2006 03:57 PM
Do you really understand what is Propaganda Film? Could you please spend some time reading the history of cinema and see where did this phrase started and how it was interpreted. I'm not an Amir fa ...

Did I write anything that accused Amir making Propaganda Film?

I did write that a film maker like Amir should become more sensitive about bad values that may influenced the audience.

For example...

A person who was inteviewed in the documentary said something like... "Saya tidak menyesal menjadi komunis..."

The comment is like nothing to a genius person like Amir.But... how about young people who dont have any experience about communism?Who r too lazy to think what is right n what is wrong... who like the idea about rebels they heard...

Im a teacher... I know how the mind of some youth working.

Greenbottle3 Publish time 9-6-2006 04:35 PM

what's wrong with being a communist?

a good commie is a lot better than an average umno member to me....

pessoa Publish time 9-6-2006 06:51 PM

And helluva lot better than the average PAS member...

Greenbottle3 Publish time 9-6-2006 11:51 PM

yes...and mahathir said dollah badawi is crap....

pessoa Publish time 10-6-2006 01:54 AM

Surely you don't believe mahathir... cause if you do, you must believe what he said about PAS (that it's shit, btw)

Greenbottle3 Publish time 10-6-2006 06:28 AM

nobody is right all the time, or wrong all the time. mahthir is very wrong about PAS but right about abdullah badawi...just like you...you're right about the merit of some books some times but wrong on some...like about catcher in the rye for instance...

and amir's films are mostly crap although his old perforated sheet column in nst was very good....his new column in nst btw iscrap...

crap in the sense that jim carey's style ofslapstick comedy is crap but coen brothers' fine witty humor is not....

davidngui Publish time 10-6-2006 08:57 AM

The falacy here is just because you are teaching, it still doesn't make you understand totally the minds of the youth. How can you be so sure? Ignorant and over-confident are dangerous in education.

Regarding one poster's comment, what's wrong being a communist? I agreed on that statement. Why do we labelling communist as evils? Are you watching too many Rambo films? The notion of Communism Is Evil is itself a form of American Democratic Propaganda which distributedin form of cinema and media for years. In today's world, one must be able to analyze and differentiate the truth and the constructed truth. I see nothing wrong of communists. I have so many friends from China who are faithful and loyal members of PKC yet they are good people. And at the end of the day, do you really understand communism? Like I said, you should read. Please read The Manifesto of Communism by Karl Marx, try find Goldberg and Engel's perspective of communism, read about Marxism too as many confused the different about Marxism and Communism. I spent years of studying them and I can summarize that Communism is actually an ideal political system, better than democrazy. The only problem was that in history, most leaders adopted communism didn't understand it themselves and they chose military aggression which of course they all failed. Look at China today, one of the most powerful countries in the world, they are communists. So Communism is not evil, But the way to implement this ideology is the key. Democracy alwasy leads of power struggles and corruption.

As modern Malaysian, we must throw away this bi-polarism to judge the world. Life is not just about black and white, good VS evil. Open your eyes and mind and be more critical.

Amir's film is an alternative form of cinema expression telling a story from a different angle and perspective at history. That's all. The intention to use 'propaganda' to label anyone's work for me is just blatantly naive.
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