fleurzsa Publish time 10-5-2005 01:47 PM

Wanita Di Mata Hinduism

Good day,

I terbaca perkara ini dlm satu lampiran.Sesiapa ygarif boleh jelaskan eh...
Sephiroth..kamu je la jelaskan... kay..

Thanks.

Di dalam adat istiadat Hinduism ditegaskan...."Sesungguhnya kesabaran tertentu, angin, kematian, neraka, racun dan ular itu tidaklah lebih jahat berbanding dgn wanita".

Seorg wanita tidak berhak hidup setlh ditinggalkan oleh mendiang suaminya.Pd hari kematian suaminya ia harus ikut mati, atau ia harus membakar diri dlm keadaan hidup2 bersama suaminya.Di samping itu dia harus mempersembahkan korban kpd tuhan2nya.

Sephiroth Publish time 11-5-2005 08:10 AM

Where did you get such information?

Burning of widows or Sutte as it was known is not practise of Hindus in general.

In the beginning, it was thought that the practise originated from following the act of purification via Self-Immolation of Sita Dewi in Ramayana epic, but later study revealed that such practise existed even before Ramayana epic come to play. First reported event of such was found in epic which speaks of Pralathan, one of Vishnu's greatest devotees.

In that epic, Pralathan spoke against such practise, stating that when the duty of a woman as a wife is over (because of death of the husband), the wife still needed tol perform the duty of mother to her child.

During British conquest of India, it is taught that such practise were widely practise throughout India. This was wrong, it was practise, at least in secret in northern section of India - Rajput and areas around Delhi. British put a stop to such practise by banning it.

fleurzsa Publish time 11-5-2005 10:35 AM

Okay...understood

Can u explain what Hindu people see in women?

Especially the mothers.

Thanks.

Sephiroth Publish time 11-5-2005 11:05 AM

by fleurzsa

Can u explain what Hindu people see in women?

Especially the mothers.

There is only three "objects" which Hindus call "Mother" :-

1. Land/Country/Nation
2. Wealth
3. Womenfolk.

In all three of this, Hindus recognise that they (this "Mothers") have both good and destructive quality to them.

Womenfolks in Hindusm are NOT someone who Men are supposed to exert control over. Women are suppose to do supportive work with men in life and a balance life between men and women will generate a good family which in return create more man and woman who are beneficial to the society.

fleurzsa Publish time 11-5-2005 11:15 AM

Okay...

There is one flim I love to watch since child.... Mother India...so sad but good examples.

After this... if u have anything moreto elobrate about the topic plz do so..

As a woman this is interesting knowledge.

Sephiroth Publish time 12-5-2005 03:52 PM

I suggest you watch a Chinese movie called "The Good Seed". It very good movie about mental strenght of a woman during late 1800s.

A lot of good Indian movies available also, especially on Astro around Sundays at 11.00 o'clock.

fleurzsa Publish time 12-5-2005 04:26 PM

Hmm.. The Good Seed.. I will try..

Okay thanks..

bebeh Publish time 11-7-2005 04:15 PM

Originally posted by fleurzsa at 11-5-2005 10:35 AM:
Okay...understood

Can u explain what Hindu people see in women?

Especially the mothers.

Thanks.
what i knw in this case........,indian seen their mother like a god.....i mean something like their respect very much to women who them calls mother....
for me in this case indian is very good even if in one family then have one brother he wil care about his sister and wil care of her till got maried.....yes a bit like a movie but in their life actually like that only........this what i knw...... if got wrong....then, sorry......:tq:

cclee Publish time 11-7-2005 07:12 PM

Seorg wanita tidak berhak hidup setlh ditinggalkan oleh mendiang suaminya.Pd hari kematian suaminya ia harus ikut mati, atau ia harus membakar diri dlm keadaan hidup2 bersama suaminya.Di samping itu dia harus mempersembahkan korban kpd tuhan2nya.




Kepercayaan kepada Mitos yg berleluasa boleh menyebabkan perkara sedemikian berlaku ataupun negara tanpa pemerintah yg open minded.
Contohnya di India pada zaman dahulu. Bukan hanya sekadar negara India tetapi masih banyak negara yg mengamalkan upacara ni.
Sekiranya sesebuah negara tu maju tentu perkara sedemikian ini tidak akan berlaku.

Sephiroth Publish time 12-7-2005 08:24 AM

by cclee

Kepercayaan kepada Mitos yg berleluasa boleh menyebabkan perkara sedemikian berlaku ataupun negara tanpa pemerintah yg open minded.
Contohnya di India pada zaman dahulu. Bukan hanya sekadar negara India tetapi masih banyak negara yg mengamalkan upacara ni.
Sekiranya sesebuah negara tu maju tentu perkara sedemikian ini tidak akan berlaku.

Upacara sedemikian hanya berlaku di tempat2 spt Rajput (Utara India yg bersempadankan Pakistan) kerana keegoan kaum lelaki di situ.

Islam sampai ke sana pun tak dpt kikis keegoan mereka kerana sampai sekarang, ada "honor killing" dimana bapa atau lelaki berhak membunuh isteri, adik perempuan ataupun si emak kerana bergaul dgn lelaki lain.

cclee Publish time 14-7-2005 06:01 PM

Originally posted by Sephiroth at 12-7-2005 08:24:
by cclee

Kepercayaan kepada Mitos yg berleluasa boleh menyebabkan perkara sedemikian berlaku ataupun negara tanpa pemerintah yg open minded.
Contohnya di India pada zaman dahulu. Bukan hany ...


Bali Island pun ada

fleurzsa Publish time 15-7-2005 03:41 AM

Originally posted by Sephiroth at 12-7-2005 08:24 AM:
by cclee
Kepercayaan kepada Mitos yg berleluasa boleh menyebabkan perkara sedemikian berlaku ataupun negara tanpa pemerintah yg open minded.
Contohnya di India pada zaman dahulu. Bukan hany ...

:hmm:

Bukan Islam la... India muslim.

niceghost99 Publish time 15-7-2005 07:10 AM

Salam kpd semuer,

Upacara settee dan juga Honor Killing memang berlaku di India, Pakisatan dan juga Bangladesh. Di zaman dahulu dan juga sekarang.
Begitu juga di bbrp negara Arab.

Teman bbp kali pernah ke sana.
Dan mempunyai bbrp org kawan dari sana jua.

Sephiroth, teman minta maaf terlebey dahulu.
Mungkin posting teman ni SENSITIP sikit.
Tapi kalau SALAH, sila perbetulkan.

Ini adalah KAJIAN yg teman buat.

1. Orang India/Hindu di zaman dahulu(sekarang pun masih di amalkan) mengahwinkan anak pompuan deme semasa masih kecil lagi.(8-14 tahun)
2. Orang India/Hindu juga adalah di antara bangsa yg KUAT SEX.
3. Banyak posisi/aktiviti SEX yg di amalkan olih org Barat sekarang sebenar nya telah di cedok dari AMALAN org India/Hindu. Bermula dari penjajahan British.

Cuba bayangkan, seorg isteri muda(7-14tahun) mengahwini lelaki tuer.
Then suami yg teuer tersebut MENINGGAL DUNIA.
Aper hal akan berlaku dgn janda muda tersebut?
Di dalam usia yg muda, telah menjadi janda.
Tentu lah RISIKO nya AMAT TINGGI.
RISIKO seorg janda yg mungkin berbuat jahat.
RISIKO seorg janda muda/kanak2 yg mungkin membocorkan rahsia AKTIVITI MENDIANG SUAMI nya.

Alang kah malu nya KAUM KELUARGA mendiang suami nya nanti.

Teman pernah pergi ke kuil HINDU di sekitar India dan mendapati tembok tembok nya di pahat dgn gambarbogel dan aktiviti SEX.(berusia ribuan tahun)
Begitu juga dgn museum di Calcutta.

Sekian

Fleurzsa: Minta maaf, I edit beberapa ayat krn tidak sesuai di sini.Thanks.

[ Last edited by fleurzsa on 15-7-2005 at 01:14 PM ]

cclee Publish time 15-7-2005 03:58 PM

Originally posted by fleurzsa at 15-7-2005 03:41:


:hmm:

Bukan Islam la... India muslim.



Penganut kat Bali Indonesia kebanyakannya Hindu

Gravedigger Publish time 16-7-2005 11:10 AM

Originally posted by cclee at 15-7-2005 03:58 PM:




Penganut kat Bali Indonesia kebanyakannya Hindu

Di Bali penganut Hindunya tidak seperti penganut Hindu di India. Mereka mempunyai versi mereka yang tersendiri.....patung-patung mereka lebih artistik lagi.

Sephiroth Publish time 8-9-2005 11:07 AM

Let's honour Women (according to Hindusm).

Manu Smirti (Laws of Manu) :

"Where women are honored there the gods are pleased; but where they are not honored no sacred rite yields rewards," declares Manu Smriti (III.56) a text on social conduct.

"Women must be honored and adorned by their fathers, brothers, husbands and brothers-in-law, who desire their own welfare." (Manu Smriti III, 55)

" Where the female relations live in grief, the family soon wholly perishes; but that family where they are not unhappy ever prospers." (Manu Smriti III, 57).

"The houses on which female relations, not being duly honored, pronounce a curse, perish completely as if destroyed by magic." (Manu Smriti III, 58)

" Hence men who seek their own welfare, should always honor women on holidays and festivals with gifts of ornaments, clothes, and dainty food." (Manu Smriti III, 59)


Laksmi Tantra, Chapter 43 :

na samret kamini nindam karmana manasa gira yatraham tatra tattvani tatraham tatra devatah (62)

Translation :- "A yogin should never abuse a woman, either in deed, speech or thought. Wherever I (Lakshmi) am, the realities are where ever I am the gods too are. "

yo bhinindati tam narim laksmima bhinindati yo bhinindati tam laksmi trailokyama bhinindati (64)

Translation :- "He who abuses women abuses Laksmi herself; He who abuses Laksmi abuses the entire three worlds. "

jyotsnam iva striyam drstva yasya cittam prasidati napadhyayati yatkincit sa me priyatmano matah (66)

Translation :- "He whose heart is gladdened by the sight of women, like moonlight, and who never entertains evil thoughts about them, he is most dear to Me. "

aruna hyapaga yadvattatha simantini vara yadasmi janani nama trayanam jagatamaham (69)

Translation :- "As also the Aruna river, so too are all women revered as being sinless."

mattanurvanita saksad yogi kasmanna pujayet na kuryad vrjinam naryah kuvrttam na smaret striyah (71)

Translation :- "Knowing women as my direct manifestation, how can a yogi refrain from revering them? Women should always be worshipped and treated with affection."


The Mahabharata, Anusasana Parva, Section XLVI Bhishma said:

"Respect, kind treatment and everything else that is agreeable, should all be given unto the maiden whose hand is taken in marriage. Her sire and brothers and father-in law and husband's brothers should show her every respect and adorn her with ornaments. If they be desirous of reaping benefits, for such conduct on their part always leads to considerable happiness and advantage.

"Women should always be worshipped and treated with affection. There where women are treated with respect, the very deities are said to be filled with joy. There where women are not worshipped, all acts become fruitless. If the women of a family, in consequence of the treatment they receive, grieve and shed tears, that family soon becomes extinct. Those houses that are cursed by women meet with destruction and ruin as if scorched by some Atharvan rite. Such houses lose their splendor. Their growth and prosperity cease. Women are disposed to accept the love that is offered to them, and devoted to truth. Women deserve to be honored.

"Do ye men show them honor. The righteousness of men depends upon women. All pleasures and enjoyments also completely depend upon them. Do ye serve them and worship them. Do ye bend your wills before them. The begetting of offspring, the nursing of children already born, and the accomplishment of all acts necessary for the needs of society, behold, all these have women for their cause.

"By honoring women, ye are sure to attain to the fruition of all objects. Deities of prosperity are women. The persons that desire prosperity should honor them. By cherishing women, one cherishes the goddess of prosperity herself, and by afflicting her, one is said to afflict the goddess of prosperity."

Gravedigger Publish time 9-9-2005 12:41 AM

Originally posted by Sephiroth at 11-5-2005 11:05 AM
There is only three "objects" which Hindus call "Mother" :-

1. Land/Country/Nation
2. Wealth
3. Womenfolk.



I think u have left out another mother of yours...the sacred cow. Don't you called the cow ammaa?

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