FOTHER-MUCKER replied at 2-9-2016 06:52 AM
Apa yang you rasa tak betulnya? Ada yang kata dia nabi dan ada yang kata dia bukan nabi, tapi ada...
may i suggestyou to look for these aspects:
zaman arab jahiliyyah
era / timeline era zaman arab jahiliiyah
struktur arab jahiliyyah
ciri ciri masyarakat arab jahiliyyah
aspek agama - YES you have pointed out but onlypartially
aspek SOSIAL - education , WOMEN and baby perempuan
ekonomi
dan ciri2 yg baik arab jahiliyyah
seek for this info , copy paste sumber dan share kat sini
yes why not - jadikan forum ni sebagai satu yg positif untuk belajar tentang SIRAH
Edited by FOTHER-MUCKER at 2-9-2016 10:17 AM
mbhcsf replied at 2-9-2016 09:14 AM
may i suggestyou to look for these aspects:
zaman arab jahiliyyah
You tau apa?
Saya tidak mahu sentuh tentang nabi ibrahim dan pembinaan awal kaabah. Kebanyakan orang faham apa itu agama pagan, agama pagan adalah menyembah berhala dan kebanyakan orang Islam juga tahu sejarah nabi khalid ataupun dalam kepercayaan agama Hindu khalid adalah brahma.
Bila bercakap tentang agama Christian dan sejarah christian mereka akan kata sejarah dan agama mereka adalah betul.
Bila bercakap tentang agama Hindudan sejarah Hindu mereka akan kata agama dan sejarah agama mereka adalah betul.
Bila bercakap tentang agama Islam dan sejarah Islam mereka akan kata agama dan sejarah agama mereka adalah betul.
Bila bercakap tentang Judaism dan sejarah agama mereka mereka akan kata agama mereka adalah betul.
Walaupun kebenaran itu adalah menyakitkan, takan ada penganut agama yang akan berkata sejarah agama danagama mereka tidak betul.
Heheheh......kan?
Edited by mbhcsf at 2-9-2016 06:14 PM
FOTHER-MUCKER replied at 2-9-2016 06:05 PM
You tau apa?
Bila bercakap tentang agama Christian dan sejarah christian mereka akan kata sejara ...
i tak suruh you kata agama kristian ke ape ke semua ke
i ada suruh ?
i kata explore lah kehidupan masyarakat arab jahiliyyah
takkan tu pun nak kasi alasan agama X kata depa betul ?
did i say that?
wow u ni bias dan prejudge
i tak kata apa ?
ni , ni bukan medan nak tentukan you salah ke betul tapi medan nak tengok kebenaran
so pada i , tak hairan u nak copy and paste apa apa pun pasal aktiviti agama masyarakat arab jahiliyyah
ni masyarakat ye
belum agama lagi
so?
tengoklah explore sendiri , silakan , dipersilakan explore masyarakat arab jahiliyyah
laa apasal tak mau pulak kitakongsi pengetahuan ? okay what?
u tak nak okay ...i tatau napa , i bukan apologetic pun kalau u post kegiatan arab jahiliyyah
kan?
laaa tak nak pulak dah
why?
1. masyarakat arab jahiliiyah
2. 1 700 BC versus 2 300 BC
:)
agama yg benar mengajak umatnya berfikir , memupuk bahasa luhur , hikmah lahir dari akal yg benar
http://www.ikim.gov.my/index.php/ms/sinar-harian/9437-islam-memupuk-bahasa-luhur
http://www.ikim.gov.my/index.php/ms/sinar-harian/9429-menggilap-sifat-keunggulan
FOTHER-MUCKER replied at 2-9-2016 06:05 PM
You tau apa?
Saya tidak mahu sentuh tentang nabi ibrahim dan pembinaan awal kaabah. Kebanyakan o ...
You tau apa?
Saya tidak mahu sentuh tentang nabi ibrahim dan pembinaan awal kaabah. Kebanyakan orang faham apa itu agama pagan, agama pagan adalah menyembah berhala dan kebanyakan orang Islam juga tahu sejarah nabi khalid ataupun dalam kepercayaan agama Hindu khalid adalah brahma.
i rephrase boleh you tak nak sentuh tentang nabi ibrahim yg wujud 2 300 M dan pembinaan awal kaabah?
okay
saya nak sentuh 1 700 SM versus2300 SM
sangat signifikan dalam memecahkan kebenaran
perkataan kaabah tu
mbhcsf replied at 2-9-2016 10:17 AM
1. masyarakat arab jahiliiyah
2. 1 700 BC versus 2 300 BC
masyarakat arab jahiliiyah
2. 1 700 BC versus 2 300 BC
:)
Lagi lagi nak cakap pasal 1700bc vs 2300bc? Saya bercaakap dari 1-7 century iatu tentang nabi khalid.
Untuk pengetahwan you semua agama mengajak ummatnya berfikir, memupuk bahasa luhur hikmah dari akal yang benar.
mbhcsf replied at 2-9-2016 10:20 AM
You tau apa?
Melayu pun tau siapa itu brahma
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y6pyRHXiOWs
Edited by FOTHER-MUCKER at 2-9-2016 10:43 AM
mbhcsf replied at 2-9-2016 10:20 AM
You tau apa?
Muslim cleric claims Lord Shiva was the first prophet of Islam
Mungkin kah mufti ni bercakap benar tetapi hanya orang Islam yang tidak boleh menerima kebenaran?
In what’s likely to stir a hornet’s nest, Mufti Muhammad Ilyas of the newly-formed Muslim body Jamaat Ulama-e-Hind on Thursday said Lord Shiva was the “first prophet of Islam” and Muslims are “followers of Sanatan Dharma (Hinduism)”.As part of a delegation of clerics that visited Ayodhya on Wednesday to garner support for a communal harmony seminar - National Qaumi Ekta Conference - to be organized by the group on February 27 in Balrampur, Ilyas told journalists, “Lord Shiva was first prophet of Islam and Muslims are followers of Sanatan Dharma.”http://s2.firstpost.in/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Shiv_facebook_380.jpgFacebook
He even went on to add that Muslims should have no reservation in accepting that Lord Shiva and Goddess Parvati are their creators. “We are all Indians and children of Lord Shiva and Goddess Parvati and there should be no reservations in accepting the truth,” he said.Ilyas also said he is not opposed to the RSS’ idea of declaring India a Hindu nation. “The citizens of China are called Chinese. The people of Japan are called Japanese. What’s wrong in terming Hindustani as Hindus. We are not against declaring India a Hindu country,” he added.While Muslim intellectuals rubbished Ilyasi’s statements as his personal views that is “baseless and have no proof”, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) hailed cleric’s words. The Bharatiya Janata Party too has termed it his personal comments.
“The Holy Quran asserts that every community has its prophets, but mentioning the name of (Lord) Shiva as a prophet of Muslims has no proof. We condemn and completely disagree with the comments made by Ilyasi,” Jamaat-e-Islami Hind secretary general Maulana Nusrat Ali told Firstpost.
Jamiat Ulama-i-Hind (JuH) made it clear that Ilyasi has no association with it and none of its delegation has visited Ayodhya. “First, be clear that it is not Jamiat-e-Ulema Hind but Jamaat Ulama-e-Hind, which was formed by some maulvis (clerics) with vested interest before 2014 Lok Sabha elections with an aim to improve Narendra Modi’s image in the Muslim community. It was used for Modi’s PR theatrics before the general elections and now, the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh is using it to spread a false message,” said JuH chief Maulana Mehmood Madani.Terming the statements “irresponsible”, JuH Secretary Maulana Neyaz Ahmad Farooqui said Ilyasi’s controversial remarks have hurt the religious sentiments of both Hindus and Muslims. “Prophet Adam was the first prophet and Prophet Mohammad was the last one. Quran has mentioned very few of them. But Lord Shiva was a Prophet has no proof in Islam. By declaring him as a messenger of Islam, he has hurt the sentiments and Muslims. On the other hand, Hindus worship Lord Shiva as their God; therefore, by calling him as a messenger of God is his disrespect,” he explained.
Maulana Khalid Rasheed Farangi Mahali dubbed Ilyasi’s statements as “un-Islamic”. “It must be his personal statement. It has nothing to do with Islam. In other words, the statements are un-Islamic,” said All India Muslim Personal Law Board member Maulana Khalid Rasheed Farangi Mahali.Rejecting Ilyas’s remark, Mufti Mukarram Ahmed, imam of Fatehpuri mosque, said, “His statements are politically motivated. He should explain for whom he is working.”Meanwhile, the VHP has welcomed the statements and said it is in the interest of nation. “Although we disagree with Ilyasi’s statement that Lord Shiva was a prophet as he is a God, but we welcome the cleric’s statements. Rising above religions, he has tried to unite people and take them away from self-centredness,” VHP spokesperson Vinod bansal told Firstpost.“Why a hue and cry being raised when he (the cleric) is talking about all Indians are Hindus. The arguments he has given to establish his points are extremely logical,” he said adding that “those who oppose ‘Vande Matram’, hoist Pakistani flags in India, disrespect Amar Jawan Jyoti (a war memorial dedicated to soldiers) in Mumbai and raise voice against Batla House encounter and the execution of Afzal Guru have no right question Ilyasi”.However, the BJP has termed Ilyasi’s statement as personal. “This is his personal comments and we don’t want to make any comment on the issue,” UP BJP President Laxminkant Bajpai told Firstpost.Old Delhi's Daryaganj-based Jamaat is close to the RSS and the BJP and has worked for the saffron party in Kashmir to bridges with the local clergy and market Modi’s development plan for the Valley.Several attempts to contact Ilyasi failed as he did not respond to our phone calls and text messages.
mbhcsf replied at 2-9-2016 09:04 AM
baca betul betul posting saya.
saya tahu bahawa awak tidak mempelajarisejarah islam dan sirah ...
apa buktinya nabi ibrahim wujud?;P
nabi ibrahim wujud
2395 ~ 2 300 sebelum masehi
FOTHER-MUCKER replied at 2-9-2016 10:05 AM
You tau apa?
Saya tidak mahu sentuh tentang nabi ibrahim dan pembinaan awal kaabah. Kebanyakan o ...
penganut islam akan kata agama lain tak betul
penganut xtian akan kata agama lain tak betul
penganut yahudi akan kata agama lain tak betul
penganut hindu akan kata agama lain tak betul
penganut buddha akan kata agama lain tak betul
apa yg semua penganut ni cakap adalah betul..... semua agama tak betul:laugh3:
Lobai_Atheist replied at 30-8-2016 08:19 AM
kaabah hindu dah wujud 1700 sebelum masihi. tuhan lu hanya dicipta pd tahun masihi 622
jara ...
wahai lobainita@mbhcsf
apa yg aku spin {:1_550:}